Sweepstake on how long it is until I sell this M13 I just bought!

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

pahahahahaha... I know, I am a fool. But they really ARE cracking units, and the temptation of midi switching my JVM was too big to ignore!

So I'm thinking:

Volume > Wah > M13 Input >
M13 FX Send > Satriani JVM Input
Satriani JVM Send > M13 FX Return

I also have two DD7's, a Hardwire Phaser, Hardwire Reverb, and a Zoom MS70CDR, to throw into the mix. Any creative ideas on where I could put them into this setup? Not that I need them, but just thinking out loud for the moment.

handsomerik · October 2013

Good luck with the 4th M13. I have a similar relationship with line6 M units! Let me know if you decide to sell the zoom ms-70cdr. :-)

ICBM · October 2013

Two weeks.

Cirrus · October 2013

I kept mine about a month. Got it to replace my pedalboard, did a side-by side comparison between it, my board and a Line 6 DM4 and found it totally wanting, even when comparing like-for-like stomp box models on the dm4. The sound just isn't good to my ears - murky, no punch. Which is a shame because the feature set is incredible!

Even the delays, which you'd think they couldn't get wrong, didn't work for me. It was impossible to get them sitting right in the mix, they were either inaudible or totally dominating.

I kept it for as long as I did because the looper was so fantastic to use, with lots of single-function footswitches making it great to work with on stage. Ultimately it was just too big/ expensive to use just for that one thing though.

Not wanting to shit on your purchase of course! Everyone's needs/ uses are different so I hope it works for you.

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

Ha! Well that is one of the reasons I ended up selling my M9, the murikness. But I got by with it for over a year and only really started to give a shit when I compared it to my Nova Delays. So I guess I'll see how I get on!

Cirrus · October 2013

Ha! Well that is one of the reasons I ended up selling my M9, the murikness. But I got by with it for over a year and only really started to give a shit when I compared it to my Nova Delays. So I guess I'll see how I get on!

Funny, it was comparing the delays to my Nova Repeater that helped seal its fate. But to be honest I couldn't believe how much better the DM4 drives sounded than the same models on the M13 - you'd think they'd have improved it in the 10 years or so. The DM4 Rat and my early '90s Rat 2 were of comparable quality in terms of punch, eq, dyanmic response etc. The M13 model gave me PTSD.

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

The thing that makes me want to go back is I was listening to a lot of my older recordings which were done with the M9 and a DL-4 too. I liked them quite a bit!

I wont be using it for drives, and I think the only usable drive on those units is the Tube Drive model, which is actually pretty killer.

Jalapeno · October 2013

2-3 weeks

That's how long I took

octatonic · October 2013

3 weeks and 2 days.

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

*groan*

Thing was dead on arrival. Need to sort out a refund now

digitalscream · October 2013

Drew_fx said:

*groan*

Thing was dead on arrival. Need to sort out a refund now

Just get yourself a GigRig and a load more pedals (probably including a Timeline somewhere) and be done with it

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

Not helpful.
:-?

digitalscream · October 2013

Drew_fx said:

Not helpful.
:-?

I strongly suspect that you're the only person in the world for whom a GigRig would actually save money

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

lol. C'mon, I'm haaaardly nocaster!!

I sell stuff to make up for the new stuff I buy :P

digitalscream · October 2013

Drew_fx said:

lol. C'mon, I'm haaaardly nocaster!!

I sell stuff to make up for the new stuff I buy :P

Heh...yeah, I know, but by definition you lose money every time you sell something

ICBM · October 2013

Drew_fx said:

*groan*

Thing was dead on arrival. Need to sort out a refund now

How typically Line6...

Is it the unit, or the power supply? I know, that's hard to tell if you don't have any other way of testing either one.

That was something else that went wrong with my DL-4 - first power supply DOA, second one lasted about a week. The pedal fucked up before the third one died though

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Drew_TNBD · October 2013

Hmm. Well the unit itself is flickering and seems to be "powering" ...

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

digitalscream said:

Drew_fx said:

lol. C'mon, I'm haaaardly nocaster!!

I sell stuff to make up for the new stuff I buy :P

Heh...yeah, I know, but by definition you lose money every time you sell something

Nah not really, most everything I buy is 2nd hand. So I usually sell it for what I paid if I haven't had it too long.

ICBM · October 2013

Drew_fx said:

Hmm. Well the unit itself is flickering and seems to be "powering" ...

Fault in the unit unfortunately. If it was the power supply you'd just get nothing.

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

I agree. Hopefully the seller wont be too miffed about sending me a refund.

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

UPDATE: Seller has refunded me. Just waiting for the paypal to get unlocked, then I can ship the broken unit back to him. Still on the look out for an M13!!

Heartfeltdawn · October 2013

They sound crap, they've never filled me with confidence about their build quality, the stereo implementation is crap, and I've had 3 M13's and 4 M9's.

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

So I've now got an M13 - that eBay seller got the unit fixed (cable came loose inside the unit, was an easy fix) so I bought it off him, and he kindly matched an M13 that I was going to buy in London. So he's happy, I'm happy.

Just today put together an Arduino patch for my Arduino Duo which filters midi CC's from the output.

So I can switch my amp from the 12 scenes, and can turn effects on and off within a scene, and my amp wont respond - basic stuff, but really cool!

Marshall Satriani JVM responds to PC's and CC's, but you cannot disable CC's, so turning on an effect was resulting in an amp channel change; kinda idiotic really, but oh well. Workaround!

So I'm basically using it for delays. 4-cable method works quite well, but I might also try just going straight into the amp, and having a tubescreamer and my Zoom MS70CDR in the FX loop of the unit, and then have some patches with the loop on and then some with the loop off - basically enabling me to get around the slightly poor footswitching on the Zoom unit.

This would all be solved if Zoom had an M13 clone/ripoff/destroyer with their own algo's!! I'd be heaven then!

Grumpyrocker · October 2013

That sounds like a great setup. Once again reminding me what a dick I was for selling my M13.

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

They are good units. I am thinking I will do a comparison between the Zoom delays, the M13 delays, and my Boss DD7's. Maybe even try and get a DL-4 into it as well.

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

So after all that, using the M13 as a midi controller for my amp was less than satisfactory. There is about a full second of latency when switching scenes and the arriving program change to the amp, meaning the M13 is deferring the midi transmission.

So effectively the best way to do it is to use a midi controller capable of sending to two devices at once, to avoid the latency of the M13. But it does mean more floor real estate.

ragingben · October 2013

That sucks... I'm surprised to a degree although I think it's probably for the best - I wouldn't be surprised if the internal stacking was turn off all FX - send midi PC - turn on new fx. A delay that long is bad though. It's not a gap of silence in that time is it?

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

Nah no silence, just literally a pause on the current sound, and then the switch. But the scene change is instant - which means depending on what effects you've got, you could get a loud burst of sound before the change. It's just a bit sloppy.

Still a good unit though.

digitalscream · October 2013

I presume you've done the obvious and taken your Arduino out of the MIDI path?

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

Aye, as discussed on Facebook

It's definitely the M13. I even tried my RFX Midibuddy into the M13 and the amp, and it worked perfectly.

Why do Line 6 have to constantly make their shit retarded? Beggars belief.

digitalscream · October 2013

Sorry, having a bad day, brain be absent

Line6 are just like all the other manufacturers. There isn't single one which makes a unit that doesn't have just enough flaws to make it unusable.

Hell, I'm at the point where I'm looking for a good, relatively low-priced 3-channel amp. The one I really want, purely because it sounds exactly right, is an Ironheart...probably the IRT Studio...but then Laney had to go and fuck it up by using a totally retarded switching mechanism (which is completely different to anything else they produce). Mental.

Currently considering a GSP1101, which is great...but it doesn't support relay switching. Gawd.

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