My Boss GT-100 Thread

Heartfeltdawn · September 2013

digitalscream said:

I know it's totally ridiculous, but my main complaint with all the Boss units is the damn switches - I just hate their lever-style switches, and vastly prefer the exposed-switch type ones on the Line6 gear.

Whenever I've given the Boss units a chance, it's always been with the amp modelling - and, let's face it, their amp modelling is plain shit. Zoom managed to do it properly in units that are a third of the price, so as far as I'm concerned a company like Boss/Roland has absolutely no fucking excuse to get it that badly wrong.

Although, on balance, I refuse to have anything to do with a company that sells such a fucked-up product as the LS-2 and keep a straight face. Yes, it's perfectly irrational.

That is ridiculous when the Boss switches are of a far better quality than the exposed Line 6 variety.

Boss amp modelling is indeed shit. I have been grumbling for years that Boss should do something like the M9 in terms of freedom of effects selection and position with no fecking amp shite to distract things.

Drew_TNBD · September 2013

If they fixed these delay tap tempo issues (the clicking and the pitch shifting) then I can easily see myself using just a GT-100 for effects in a live setting. I'd sussed the phaser and got the sounds I was happy with, but I couldn't live with the delay issues.

All they need to do is expand their tap tempo window for the delays to be an average across the last four taps, and add parameter smoothing to the delay times so that you don't get crazy pitches... and the kicker? They've done it before in the DD7!!

Boggles the mind. I can't imagine any regular guitarist being happy with pitch wobbly crap coming out of his amp in the middle of a song... maybe if you're one of those crazy surf noize guitarists sure...

Bah. Really depressing.

PolarityMan · September 2013

Are you talking about the kind of scrathing artifact thing you get when you tap tempo? In practice Ive found on my GT-10 it only happens if you're significantly modifying the delay time via the tap. Im fairly sure my echo park used to do the same thing back when I used that too.

Drew_TNBD · September 2013

Two issues:

1. The clicking you get with the Single and Reverse modes. Even when tapping with roughly the same region, say 100bpm-102bpm, it will glitch out and sound crappy.

2. The pitch artifacts as you tap the tempo. Some people love that, but I really don't. It sounds amateur in a live setting, particularly with our kind of music.

The key really is that the DD7 does not have either of these problems. That the GT-100 does seems slightly sloppy of them to be honest. In all other respects the GT-100 is perfect. A *really* good controller for the JVM and great sounding effects too. An excellent screen and tuner, and really good sounding AD/DA stages and easy to setup in 4-cable mode tops it all off.

Line 6 HD500 is a no-go. Silence when switching patches. None of the Zoom units properly support midi. The earlier Boss units are the same as the GT-100 (AFAIK). Digitech makes iPad toy bullshit these days, and none of their units offer more than one delay at once. Nova System midi is limited, only offers one delay at a time, and the screen isn't as clear as the GT-100. M13 would potentially be a go-er, but I grew really tired of the Line 6 sound, so I ditched all of my Line 6 stuff months ago. Not going back. Fender Mustang Floor has the sounds from what I can tell, but still only one delay at once. It does do midi though.

*sigh*

Maybe someone will get it right someday. Hell, even the Axe-FX has a slither of silence between patches, enough to be off putting. I was incredibly surprised that the GT-100 didn't!!

PolarityMan · September 2013

https://soundcloud.com/polarityman/gt-10-delay-demo-single-and

Tapped throughout both of these, first one is single, second one is reverse.

Drew_TNBD · September 2013

Thanks dude. Single sounds way better on the GT-10 than the GT-100. They've got some bug there I think. Reverse sounds slightly different, but still has the same pitch issue. Perhaps it isn't as pervasive though? Hmm. Interesting; thanks again man!

octatonic · September 2013

Drew_fx said:

Hell, even the Axe-FX has a slither of silence between patches, enough to be off putting. I was incredibly surprised that the GT-100 didn't!!

With the AFX there is a ~10ms drop when switching patches, but not when switching effects in or out, or switching scene- that is instantaneous.

You can do an awful lot switching scenes- switch anything in the patch in or out with one button.

Drew_TNBD · September 2013

Yeah I knew all that Jim. It's not as limiting as some units, but still a fair bit.

Y'know.... I was perfectly fine persevering with my tap dancing until I came back to the Musicradar crowd and The Gear Page crowd. Now I'm miserable again.

I need to fucking finish some songs and stop obsessing about this shit

digitalscream · September 2013

Drew_fx said:

Y'know.... I was perfectly fine persevering with my tap dancing until I came back to the Musicradar crowd and The Gear Page crowd. Now I'm miserable again.

I need to fucking finish some songs and stop obsessing about this shit

I hear ya. In the last month or so, I've started planning a new pedal/effects arrangement 3 times to solve a particular problem, and each time it's become incrementally more complex until I look at my current board and the songs we've got and realise that actually the problem never existed in the first place or could be easily solved by hitting pedals in a different order.

Drew_TNBD · September 2013

digitalscream said:

Drew_fx said:

Y'know.... I was perfectly fine persevering with my tap dancing until I came back to the Musicradar crowd and The Gear Page crowd. Now I'm miserable again.

I need to fucking finish some songs and stop obsessing about this shit

I hear ya. In the last month or so, I've started planning a new pedal/effects arrangement 3 times to solve a particular problem, and each time it's become incrementally more complex until I look at my current board and the songs we've got and realise that actually the problem never existed in the first place or could be easily solved by hitting pedals in a different order.

What's your current rig dude?

digitalscream · September 2013

Drew_fx said:
What's your current rig dude?

Pretty sparse - Weeping Demon -> Polytune -> Mooer phaser -> LPB-1 -> AMT C-1 (just in case) -> JCA22H, with the Flashback in the loop. I really want to go for dual delays, and keep drooling over a Timeline, but I might just get another Flashback instead (I'm limited to line-level pedals).

My last solution was a G-Major in front (with channel switching for the amp) and a pair of M-Ones in the loop. Then I realised I was being an idiot and didn't really need any of it.

Drew_TNBD · September 2013

I'm sticking with what I've got for the time being. Unless Digitech do bring out some new top of the line shit in a few weeks. Rumours abound.

PolarityMan · September 2013

Drew_fx said:

Thanks dude. Single sounds way better on the GT-10 than the GT-100. They've got some bug there I think. Reverse sounds slightly different, but still has the same pitch issue. Perhaps it isn't as pervasive though? Hmm. Interesting; thanks again man!

Analog on mine sounds more like single on the GT-100, complete with the crzy scratch effects and stuff.

Drew_TNBD · October 2013

Uggghs. Well I guess the GT series isn't for me right now. Tell ya though, if they fix these issues on the GT-100 I will definitely buy one.

I just got a Midibuddy off of Ben on here, and it seems pretty decent. I may start using it to control my amp and see how it works foot-work wise. The pedals are a little "did I actually hit that?" but it seems to be okay.

Then I could just add a little effects gizmo type thing and be golden.

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