Surely this price is not unreasonable

TTony · September 2023

BintyTwanger77 said:

Fishboy7 said:

Sounds like it might be one to keep hold of if you're not desperate for the cash

I’ve recently spent over £2k on an engagement ring….

Have you given it to anyone yet?

BintyTwanger77 · September 2023

TTony said:

BintyTwanger77 said:

Fishboy7 said:

Sounds like it might be one to keep hold of if you're not desperate for the cash

I’ve recently spent over £2k on an engagement ring….

Have you given it to anyone yet?

Erm, it’s not going back.

Wazmeister · September 2023

It happens mate, and we have all been there…

Sassafras · September 2023

BintyTwanger77 said:

Fishboy7 said:

Sounds like it might be one to keep hold of if you're not desperate for the cash

I’ve recently spent over £2k on an engagement ring….

Did it come with upgrades?

nero1701 · September 2023

I feel the same... I bought a brand new prs s2

HarrySeven · September 2023

WezV said:

Unfortunately I think there is another issue that may not be helping this particular sale.

I was trying to figure out a fair price for it and went off to google. A quick search shows a past sale at a much cheaper price - I would say that is silly low price, but it was the first I found after your listings. What we don't know is when they had it for sale

https://ampguitars.com/product/epiphone-94-casino-gibson-71-p90s/

It's the same guitar even though your fretboard looks darker and body looks paler, the grain on the body is an exact match

The question now is when did you buy it, and when did AMP sell it?

February 25th, 2015.

Have prices increased soooooooo much since then?

HarrySeven · September 2023

https://i.imgur.com/zQmiyso.jpg

ICBM · September 2023

Sadly, the fact that it's been for sale for several months does indicate that the price is too high.

The problem you have is that although the pickups are very rare and thus valuable to someone who needs them, they are *only* that valuable to someone with a 1971-1972 Gibson ES-330 that's lost its original pickups, since no other guitars used them. To everyone else - and to this guitar - they're the *wrong* pickups, and thus no matter how good they are, arguably not an upgrade at all.

Yes, I know that quality should trump originality, but that's not how the market works. To be honest, even a pair of non-Gibson-embossed aftermarket pickups would probably make it easier to sell.

Also, have the P90 covers been drilled for extra mounting screw holes? I could be wrong and it's quite hard to see in the pics, but it looks like the bridge one at least has. If so, that seriously devalues the pickups - the only thing that makes them really special is the embossed covers.

BintyTwanger77 · September 2023

This is all very fucking depressing…

I have seen 3 examples of the same guitar on Reverb, same factory, time period, etc, with stock pickups for around the same price I’m selling mine (taking into account fees as well).

Wazmeister · September 2023

We have chatted privately Grae, and I think the best solution is to sell the pickups and the guitar separately.

Sometimes we buy at the ‘peak’ of the market, and others as it lowers…

This is how we get ‘caught ‘… it happened to me with a Palir Telecaster. Lost about £1100…

Wipe the dust off your feet, smile and move on mate. Its a learning curve, and i now understand the market more, and work it in my favour (except on here !)

GavRichList · September 2023

…or if it’s as good as the sales pitch, then keep it. Then it becomes academic. I overpaid for one of my Ric 360s… but it’s also my favourite so who gives a shit. Won’t be selling it.

jellybelly · September 2023

BintyTwanger77 said:

This is all very fucking depressing…

I have seen 3 examples of the same guitar on Reverb, same factory, time period, etc, with stock pickups for around the same price I’m selling mine (taking into account fees as well).

It's been a while since I sold anything in the classifieds. Most stuff I sell through Reverb at a higher price, quite quickly too. Come out with the same earnings.

That said, a lot of overpriced stuff hangs around on there for an eternity. Worth putting an ad up?

swiller · September 2023

sling it on e bay and usually stuff sells or offers come in. Could be just up someones street.

stickyfiddle · September 2023

I'm generally a fan of Reverb, but the one thing where eBay is better for buyers is in seeing selling prices. You can see asking prices on Reverb but not what things go for when they go for offers.

Either way, I don't see any harm in chucking on Reverb and opening offers. You don't have to accept anything unreasonably low, but you'll at least if how interested the market is.

I agree that if you can't get what you want from it then swapping it back to regular Epi P90s and selling the pickups separately is likely the best-value way out. Or as Gas says keep it if it's a really good guitar!

prowla · September 2023

I see the "It owes me..." claim a lot in listings, but it doesn't really hold water, unless it is spotted by someone after that exact same thing.

As it stands it's an Epiphone and it's questionable whether the pickups add real value.

Alternatively it's some presumably nice pickups with an Epi attached.

WezV · September 2023

stickyfiddle said:

I'm generally a fan of Reverb, but the one thing where eBay is better for buyers is in seeing selling prices. You can see asking prices on Reverb but not what things go for when they go for offers.

Do their price guides not work on sold prices?

rlw · September 2023

WezV said:

stickyfiddle said:

I'm generally a fan of Reverb, but the one thing where eBay is better for buyers is in seeing selling prices. You can see asking prices on Reverb but not what things go for when they go for offers.

Do their price guides not work on sold prices?

In the USA.

stickyfiddle · September 2023

WezV said:

stickyfiddle said:

I'm generally a fan of Reverb, but the one thing where eBay is better for buyers is in seeing selling prices. You can see asking prices on Reverb but not what things go for when they go for offers.

Do their price guides not work on sold prices?

The price guides might, but I don't think a search for sold items shows you offers. I may be wrong.

guitars4you · September 2023

BintyTwanger77 said:

guitars4you said:

I can see where the seller is coming from when they say they've spent X hundred's of £'s on various upgrades - What they forgot is they have taken Y amount off as well, which will also have a value, albeit often lower - So there should be a net value upgrade and not a gross value upgrade

Upgrades will often make a guitar more desirable to many potential buyers, as it should improve the guitars tone/playability etc - But you won't get the back gross value of such parts - I don't think there is a guide line % of what value will/can be added, so common sense should come into play

I didn’t spend any money on the upgrades, the guitar came with the 50 year old pickups.

Sorry, I should have been more specific with my message. It wasn’t aimed directly at you in this instance. It was a global statement aimed at those who upgrade, then add the upgrade value on to the guitars value as and when they wish to sell it
I think some upgrades can add some additional value, to the overall package
Hope that helps

Dumodal · September 2023

Fan of Casinos have bought and sold 4 in the last 2 years, I learnt the hard way that upgrades mean nothing when reselling the guitar and most likely you will lose money. I had a 1996 MKI which I upgraded with Lollar pickups, changed the harness, new aged hardware (Faber) almost £350 in upgrades, I was lucky and got the guitar for £350 in 2019, when I tried to sell it I asked for £650 no sale for months with low ballers and or trade offers, I ended up selling it for £420 and took the massive hit and learnt my lesson.

Recently I bought an Inspired by John Lennon for £600 which is a great price, put it on eBay for £1000 and sold in 30 minutes, it's funny because I consider the MKI that took me forever to sell a better sounding guitar.

If the guitar is in the mid to low price range you will lose money if you decide to upgrade no matter what.

I think the one you got was overpriced when you bought it even with the rare pickups. Your price is not technically wrong but for £1000, I can get an used Eastman TV64 which is far superior or if I am a die hard Casino or nothing fan, I can save few hundred more and get an Elitist which is again a step above.

So you are better off selling the pickups and taking the loss as a learning experience.

Nerine · September 2023

BintyTwanger77 said:

This is all very fucking depressing…

I have seen 3 examples of the same guitar on Reverb, same factory, time period, etc, with stock pickups for around the same price I’m selling mine (taking into account fees as well).

Try selling it on Reverb, then?

bwets · September 2023

Buying from a shop will generally be more expensive than private. They need to factor in VAT, overheads and making a profit.

Sometimes they do reduced seller fees on eBay. Maybe they do the same on Reverb too?

FreddieVanHalen · September 2023

Slight diversion, is Reverb safe for sellers?

I’ve been scared off eBay because the buyer can return on a whim or pull various scams on sellers.

maltingsaudio · September 2023

@BintyTwanger77 theres a lot of wisdom in this thread, but I do think that if this is the only place your trying to sell it, then the change pickups and take the hit, is your only way forward. You may well get what your asking for and maybe more on another platform or even send it to a guitar auction, or put it on SOR in a shop, so hopefully the buyers who are prepared to pay what you want for your particular guitar see it. But it appears the great and the good of the fretboard have seen it and have decided to pass. Remember the fretboard is a tiny tiny part of the guitar buying public in the UK ( sorry guys!)

pjf · September 2023

It’s a tough market at the moment but a few points to think about:

1. Reason for sale is to raise funds. BUT

2. Six months on and it’s not sold. AND
3. Guitar sounds out of this world. AND
4. You mention trades, but even in the best case scenario of someone paying full asking price you’d be selling at a loss, which prospect you’re clearly not entirely comfortable with.

So maybe ask yourself, six months on is the need to raise funds still so pressing? (Rhetorical, I don’t mean to pry.) Perhaps you have saved £1k by now, and no longer need to sell an out of this world guitar for less than you bought it for.

My advice would be play it again and see if you really want to part with it.

Edit: ^ the posted above is correct, the Fretboard classifieds do not reach a wide audience in the grand scheme of buying and selling instruments online. But don’t take it as a personal affront. Technically I still have a guitar for sale here myself but even though it’s a brilliant guitar it’s slightly unusual, luthier-built and not from one of the big brands. No interest! Made the mistake (or wise move, depends how you look at it) of playing it again last night and immediately pulled the Reverb ad…

BintyTwanger77 · September 2023

pjf said:

It’s a tough market at the moment but a few points to think about:

1. Reason for sale is to raise funds. BUT
2. Six months on and it’s not sold. AND
3. Guitar sounds out of this world. AND
4. You mention trades, but even in the best case scenario of someone paying full asking price you’d be selling at a loss, which prospect you’re clearly not entirely comfortable with.

So maybe ask yourself, six months on is the need to raise funds still so pressing? (Rhetorical, I don’t mean to pry.) Perhaps you have saved £1k by now, and no longer need to sell an out of this world guitar for less than you bought it for.

My advice would be play it again and see if you really want to part with it.

Edit: ^ the posted above is correct, the Fretboard classifieds do not reach a wide audience in the grand scheme of buying and selling instruments online. But don’t take it as a personal affront. Technically I still have a guitar for sale here myself but even though it’s a brilliant guitar it’s slightly unusual, luthier-built and not from one of the big brands. No interest! Made the mistake (or wise move, depends how you look at it) of playing it again last night and immediately pulled the Reverb ad…

Thanks for this, genuinely helpful, although this evening I actually did what you and a few other here suggested already. Thought it through, played the Casino again, and I have happily decided I’m going to keep it. I don’t desperately need the funds, I was just stung by the price issue and the lack of buyers’ interest. Also, the guitar plays beautifully and sounds stunning, so no regrets.

Woodandwires · September 2023

Hi, I know you have now withdrawn the Casino, I had three items on here that we’re doing nothing, it’s as rightly said many times, it’s a tough market.

I have always been sceptical of Gumtree, but, I signed up, listed them, it’s far easier than on here, and all have now either been sold or in one case I received a fantastic trade, within a week.

If I was in your position, I would give that some consideration, benefits are; larger marketplace, free, no fees, easier to list. Although you hear horror stories of dealing with nut jobs etc. luckily that didn’t happen to me, everybody was great.

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