Studio makeover.

fastonebaz · March 2023

I'm still holding out for an entry to SOTM one month so we can finally hear what a proper quality mix sounds like.

digitalkettle · March 2023

fastonebaz said:

It's absolutely super . That 2nd pic does make me think of Dr Who's tardis. All those buttons.... makes my little reaper plugin shrivel up in shame

It seems bigger on the inside!

fastonebaz said:

I'm still holding out for an entry to SOTM one month so we can finally hear what a proper quality mix sounds like.

Wiz'd.

Supportact · March 2023

octatonic said:

Update: all but 4 of the ceiling and ceiling/wall corner traps are now in.
Getting this accurate has taken days.

The cloud in particular was a bugger.
We used 6 cleats per pair of traps- the right traps are attached to the left ones with a coupling bar.
The cloud is solid as a rock.

This all looks fantastic. If you don't mind me asking, did you make the cloud panels or are they bought? And have you got any tips/warnings about attaching them to the ceiling? I ask because I may have to make or at least install a similar thing later this year, so this thread is making me think.

octatonic · March 2023

Supportact said:

octatonic said:

Update: all but 4 of the ceiling and ceiling/wall corner traps are now in.
Getting this accurate has taken days.

The cloud in particular was a bugger.
We used 6 cleats per pair of traps- the right traps are attached to the left ones with a coupling bar.
The cloud is solid as a rock.

This all looks fantastic. If you don't mind me asking, did you make the cloud panels or are they bought? And have you got any tips/warnings about attaching them to the ceiling? I ask because I may have to make or at least install a similar thing later this year, so this thread is making me think.

They are from GIK- 242's I think.
So hanging those panels was a right faff.

They were put up in pairs- you can see in the photo that we used 3 support brackets per pair.
This is because they are all bolted together using a flat piece of metal as a coupling bracket.
It took over a full day just to hang those 8 panels, with 3 of us onsite.

Supportact · March 2023

octatonic said:

Supportact said:

octatonic said:

Update: all but 4 of the ceiling and ceiling/wall corner traps are now in.
Getting this accurate has taken days.

The cloud in particular was a bugger.
We used 6 cleats per pair of traps- the right traps are attached to the left ones with a coupling bar.
The cloud is solid as a rock.

This all looks fantastic. If you don't mind me asking, did you make the cloud panels or are they bought? And have you got any tips/warnings about attaching them to the ceiling? I ask because I may have to make or at least install a similar thing later this year, so this thread is making me think.

They are from GIK- 242's I think.
So hanging those panels was a right faff.

They were put up in pairs- you can see in the photo that we used 3 support brackets per pair.
This is because they are all bolted together using a flat piece of metal as a coupling bracket.
It took over a full day just to hang those 8 panels, with 3 of us onsite.

Thanks. Sounds like I'll need some helpers then when the time comes.

octatonic · March 2023

Studio renovation is finally finished.
The only thing that is changing is I'm adding the BXT bass modules for the Kii Three monitors.

Pics:

https://i.imgur.com/mpZDGXB.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/uOTtif8.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/YjQWml1.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/PqZ3MzV.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/qVsR1Qb.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/DjEoZFb.jpeg

IMC1980 · March 2023

Your studio looks fucking brilliant.

Sporky · March 2023

That looks like a fantastic, productive space.

Habanero · March 2023

I have no idea what that wall of knobs does, but it definitely looks impressive!

grappagreen · March 2023

octatonic said:

Everything is taking ages now.
But it is coming together slowly.

Yes, I know the speakers are too wide- this is to make cabling everything easier for now.

Been watching this with interest... I'm super jealous of your setup and I can appreciate the hard work involved (and cost!).

The left hand window is a little frustrating but all rooms have their challenges! Notice you don't have a great deal of diffusion going on and lots of broadband absorption. floor finish obviously helps but be interested in what the RT20 looks like across the spectrum.

Do you have any low end mode issues you've had to target with pressure based treatment (or intend to)?

Most importantly how does the room feel? What's the imaging like?

Do you have any REW before/afters?

I'd love to have a listen

Si

octatonic · March 2023

grappagreen said:

octatonic said:

Everything is taking ages now.
But it is coming together slowly.

Yes, I know the speakers are too wide- this is to make cabling everything easier for now.

Been watching this with interest... I'm super jealous of your setup and I can appreciate the hard work involved (and cost!).

The left hand window is a little frustrating but all rooms have their challenges! Notice you don't have a great deal of diffusion going on and lots of broadband absorption. floor finish obviously helps but be interested in what the RT20 looks like across the spectrum.

Do you have any low end mode issues you've had to target with pressure based treatment (or intend to)?

Most importantly how does the room feel? What's the imaging like?

Do you have any REW before/afters?

I'd love to have a listen

Si

Thank you.

Yes, I did extensive room readings and had an acoustic consultant who suggested room dimensions.
We were specifically treating an axial room mode at 59hz.
It was really atrocious before- it is mostly fixed now- we did this by changing the room dimensions, bringing the rear wall forward, lowering the ceiling over the mix position so I wasn't listening at 50% of the height of the room.

Here is the RT60 of the Left ATC:

Diffusion doesn't seem to be necessary so far- the equipment on the left and right sides seems to be doing a decent job of it.
We went for a live end, dead end, but I can always add some if need be.

One thing to know is one set of monitors are Kii Threes and the other has a Trinnov room correction system.
The Kiis are something special.
Here is an REW of the Kiis in Exact mode (most DSP) (1/3rd smoothing):

This is the Left ATC with no Trinnov:

Left ATC with Trinnov:

and here they are all together:

Specs aside- the room sounds pretty good now.
We did as much as we could within the budget we had.
To do more would cost a lot more, I think.

octatonic · March 2023

IMC1980 said:

Your studio looks fucking brilliant.

Thank you.

Sporky said:

That looks like a fantastic, productive space.

Thanks Andi- yes I am pretty happy with it and feel very lucky.

Habanero said:

I have no idea what that wall of knobs does, but it definitely looks impressive!

The modular?
It is a machine that goes bing.

monquixote · March 2023

That looks great, what a fun space!

grappagreen · March 2023

octatonic said:

grappagreen said:

octatonic said:

Everything is taking ages now.
But it is coming together slowly.

Yes, I know the speakers are too wide- this is to make cabling everything easier for now.

Been watching this with interest... I'm super jealous of your setup and I can appreciate the hard work involved (and cost!).

The left hand window is a little frustrating but all rooms have their challenges! Notice you don't have a great deal of diffusion going on and lots of broadband absorption. floor finish obviously helps but be interested in what the RT20 looks like across the spectrum.

Do you have any low end mode issues you've had to target with pressure based treatment (or intend to)?

Most importantly how does the room feel? What's the imaging like?

Do you have any REW before/afters?

I'd love to have a listen

Si

Thank you.

Yes, I did extensive room readings and had an acoustic consultant who suggested room dimensions.
We were specifically treating an axial room mode at 59hz.
It was really atrocious before- it is mostly fixed now- we did this by changing the room dimensions, bringing the rear wall forward, lowering the ceiling over the mix position so I wasn't listening at 50% of the height of the room.

Here is the RT60 of the Left ATC:

Diffusion doesn't seem to be necessary so far- the equipment on the left and right sides seems to be doing a decent job of it.
We went for a live end, dead end, but I can always add some if need be.

One thing to know is one set of monitors are Kii Threes and the other has a Trinnov room correction system.
The Kiis are something special.
Here is an REW of the Kiis in Exact mode (most DSP) (1/3rd smoothing):

This is the Left ATC with no Trinnov:

Left ATC with Trinnov:

and here they are all together:

Specs aside- the room sounds pretty good now.
We did as much as we could within the budget we had.
To do more would cost a lot more, I think.

Really appreciate you taking the time to post this as I have more than a passive interest in acoustics in relation to mastering/mixing/recording.

Objectively speaking I think you’d be building from the ground up though get any significant improvement although I’m sure you’ll be tweaking after you’ve given it some time. Space and budget do tend to limit what’s practical in the real world unfortunately

I hope you have many happy and productive hours in there and I’m sure it sounds incredible!

Si

octatonic · March 2023

grappagreen said:

octatonic said:

grappagreen said:

octatonic said:

Everything is taking ages now.
But it is coming together slowly.

Yes, I know the speakers are too wide- this is to make cabling everything easier for now.

Been watching this with interest... I'm super jealous of your setup and I can appreciate the hard work involved (and cost!).

The left hand window is a little frustrating but all rooms have their challenges! Notice you don't have a great deal of diffusion going on and lots of broadband absorption. floor finish obviously helps but be interested in what the RT20 looks like across the spectrum.

Do you have any low end mode issues you've had to target with pressure based treatment (or intend to)?

Most importantly how does the room feel? What's the imaging like?

Do you have any REW before/afters?

I'd love to have a listen

Si

Thank you.

Yes, I did extensive room readings and had an acoustic consultant who suggested room dimensions.
We were specifically treating an axial room mode at 59hz.
It was really atrocious before- it is mostly fixed now- we did this by changing the room dimensions, bringing the rear wall forward, lowering the ceiling over the mix position so I wasn't listening at 50% of the height of the room.

Here is the RT60 of the Left ATC:

Diffusion doesn't seem to be necessary so far- the equipment on the left and right sides seems to be doing a decent job of it.
We went for a live end, dead end, but I can always add some if need be.

One thing to know is one set of monitors are Kii Threes and the other has a Trinnov room correction system.
The Kiis are something special.
Here is an REW of the Kiis in Exact mode (most DSP) (1/3rd smoothing):

This is the Left ATC with no Trinnov:

Left ATC with Trinnov:

and here they are all together:

Specs aside- the room sounds pretty good now.
We did as much as we could within the budget we had.
To do more would cost a lot more, I think.

Really appreciate you taking the time to post this as I have more than a passive interest in acoustics in relation to mastering/mixing/recording.

Objectively speaking I think you’d be building from the ground up though get any significant improvement although I’m sure you’ll be tweaking after you’ve given it some time. Space and budget do tend to limit what’s practical in the real world unfortunately

I hope you have many happy and productive hours in there and I’m sure it sounds incredible!

Si

Thank you Si.
Yes I agree- we did talk about moving off site and constructing an entirely new facility.

A new build would have been at least double, maybe more, plus the site to put it on and then I would have had a commute.
I'd have had a better room, maybe with a dedicated live room but it didn't make sense at the moment.

Re your 'more than passing interest'- are you in the industry in some way?

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