M1D1 advice - simplest expression input?

TimmyO · January 2023

Years ago I had a Source Audio midi expression pedal - they appear to be unobtanium now.

If you needed to send MIDI CC foot pedal expression to a 5pin MIDI input - what’s the most compact/simplest way to do it?

Beexter · January 2023

Disaster area Midi Baby

mrkb · January 2023

Sonuus wahoo and voluum pedals can send cc expression messages I think.

TimmyO · January 2023

mrkb said:

Sonuus wahoo and voluum pedals can send cc expression messages I think.

Thanks. Just read the manual and looks like MIdI out is super basic

TimmyO · January 2023

Beexter said:

Disaster area Midi Baby

Will take a look

mrkb · January 2023

TimmyO said:

mrkb said:

Sonuus wahoo and voluum pedals can send cc expression messages I think.

Thanks. Just read the manual and looks like MIdI out is super basic

Just checked and the Wahoo is only MIDI via USB but Voluum has standard MIDI ports so check what you need..

TimmyO · January 2023

mrkb said:

TimmyO said:

mrkb said:

Sonuus wahoo and voluum pedals can send cc expression messages I think.

Thanks. Just read the manual and looks like MIdI out is super basic

Just checked and the Wahoo is only MIDI via USB but Voluum has standard MIDI ports so check what you need..

yeah I did - it’s very basic and can’t be set to send a particular midi cc

paganskins · January 2023

Morningstar mc3 and an expression pedal.

Sporky · January 2023

Ouch! Perhaps I should sell mine...

https://reverb.com/uk/item/64608690-source-audio-sa163-reflex-universal-expression-controller-2010s-black

Beexter · January 2023

Beexter said:

Disaster area Midi Baby

I should have said you need an expression pedal too...

TimmyO · January 2023

Sporky said:

Ouch! Perhaps I should sell mine...

https://reverb.com/uk/item/64608690-source-audio-sa163-reflex-universal-expression-controller-2010s-black

Aye they’ve gone bonkers - wonder why they discontinued it

TimmyO · January 2023

Beexter said:

Beexter said:

Disaster area Midi Baby

I should have said you need an expression pedal too...

Yep there are a few DA products that like like they’ll do the trick - thanks. May go that route

english_bob · January 2023

TimmyO said:

mrkb said:

TimmyO said:

mrkb said:

Sonuus wahoo and voluum pedals can send cc expression messages I think.

Thanks. Just read the manual and looks like MIdI out is super basic

Just checked and the Wahoo is only MIDI via USB but Voluum has standard MIDI ports so check what you need..

yeah I did - it’s very basic and can’t be set to send a particular midi cc

Yes it can. Mine does. You can select which channel it transmits on, and what CC number. You can even select what CC values the toe and heel down positions are.

(EDIT: just checked and this information is *not* in the manual, which isn't helpful. It's definitely possible though, but you'll need the PC editor app to set it up. This dude's video shows how to absolutely rinse this very versatile pedal for everything it can do:

)

TimmyO · January 2023

paganskins said:

Morningstar mc3 and an expression pedal.

Missed this - cheers

TimmyO · January 2023

english_bob said:

TimmyO said:

mrkb said:

TimmyO said:

mrkb said:

Sonuus wahoo and voluum pedals can send cc expression messages I think.

Thanks. Just read the manual and looks like MIdI out is super basic

Just checked and the Wahoo is only MIDI via USB but Voluum has standard MIDI ports so check what you need..

yeah I did - it’s very basic and can’t be set to send a particular midi cc

Yes it can. Mine does. You can select which channel it transmits on, and what CC number. You can even select what values the toe and heel down position is.

(EDIT: just checked and this information is *not* in the manual, which isn't helpful. It's definitely possible though, but you'll need the PC editor app to set it up. This dude's video shows how to absolutely rinse this very versatile pedal for everything it can do: )

Ah nice one - thanks for that - as you say the manual doesn’t include any of that - cheers

english_bob · January 2023

^^^ no worries. It's a very versatile pedal, but it's pricey (which is not to say it isn't also good value for all the stuff you can do with it) and difficult to get the hang of because there's so much in the box and so few controls on the pedal itself. It would be much simpler with a proper screen instead of the three-digit display, but that would mean more complexity and more cost I guess.

The PC app makes life *much* easier (and lets you access stuff you can't with the pedal itself) but you have to go through all the faff of having it hooked up to a computer when you're writing patches, which isn't ideal for band practices...

english_bob · January 2023

There's also this thing:

https://www.boss.info/uk/products/ev-1-wl/

TimmyO · January 2023

english_bob said:

There's also this thing:

https://www.boss.info/uk/products/ev-1-wl/

Thanks

TimmyO · January 2023

TimmyO said:

english_bob said:

There's also this thing:

https://www.boss.info/uk/products/ev-1-wl/

Thanks

Just read the manual etc - that’s a bloody brilliant product. Screw the bluetooth - the rest looks nicely done

english_bob · February 2023

I hadn't seen the manual - looks like you can use the toe switch to toggle between two different CC numbers, which is very cool. Being able to add extra footswitches and have them send more CC messages is a nice touch too.

The only thing I can do with my Sonuus Voluum that this can't is switch between different MIDI channels easily so that I can use it to control different pedals. You can do it on the Boss pedal with the app of course, but who wants to do that at a gig?

TimmyO · February 2023

english_bob said:

I hadn't seen the manual - looks like you can use the toe switch to toggle between two different CC numbers, which is very cool. Being able to add extra footswitches and have them send more CC messages is a nice touch too.

The only thing I can do with my Sonuus Voluum that this can't is switch between different MIDI channels easily so that I can use it to control different pedals. You can do it with the app of course, but who wants to do that at a gig?

The toe switch thing confuses me a bit - surely engaging the toe switch means you set the first CC parameter to max on the way to activating it meaning you can’t leave that parameter anywhere else :-/

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