New scale day !

Paul_C · January 2023

I've been using D Phrygian Dominant for noodling and making albums for a few years now, and I feel like doing something else for a change

Rather than work through hundreds of scale patterns I'm going to start by picking a few notes and expanding until I have something I like the sound of - it will be an existing scale of course, but I'll look to see what it is once I'm done

viz · January 2023

Try 4th mode of the Persian Scale!

1 b2 b3 #4 5 b6 #7 8.

Neilybob · January 2023

I like to play scales and modes chromatically until I find one my ear likes and go from there. Good luck

Paul_C · January 2023

Favourite so far is A / C / D# / E / G / G# with the option of adding B.

so that's R - (2) - b3 - 4 - #4/b5 - 5 - #6/b7 - 7 - octave

Paul_C · January 2023

viz said:

Try 4th mode of the Persian Scale!

1 b2 b3 #4 5 b6 #7 8.

It's making my head spin a bit working it out on the fly, but I like it enough that I'll write it out as a fretboard diagram - once I've got that I can usually sit and look at the patterns while noodling to get the hang of it.

viz · January 2023

Paul_C said:

viz said:

Try 4th mode of the Persian Scale!

1 b2 b3 #4 5 b6 #7 8.

It's making my head spin a bit working it out on the fly, but I like it enough that I'll write it out as a fretboard diagram - once I've got that I can usually sit and look at the patterns while noodling to get the hang of it.

There’s an easy way of playing it, for example, in E it would be:

A string: 7 8 10
D string: 8 9 10
G string: 8 9 10
B string: 8 11 12
top E: 8 11 12

viz · January 2023

I do it at the end of this clip, in A:

https://youtu.be/vMsKTjNy9h0

carlos · January 2023

viz said:

Paul_C said:

viz said:

Try 4th mode of the Persian Scale!

1 b2 b3 #4 5 b6 #7 8.

It's making my head spin a bit working it out on the fly, but I like it enough that I'll write it out as a fretboard diagram - once I've got that I can usually sit and look at the patterns while noodling to get the hang of it.

There’s an easy way of playing it, for example, in E it would be:

A string: 7 8 10
D string: 8 9 10
G string: 8 9 10
B string: 8 11 12
top E: 8 11 12

Sorry, did you mean the Todi That scale? Number 2507? https://ianring.com/musictheory/scales/2507

I also like the very similar one with a b7 instead of a 7 (your #7 notation killed me btw) - https://ianring.com/musictheory/scales/1483

viz · January 2023

Yep, the Todi Thaat is the Indian name for it. In Iran it’s the 4th mode of the Persian major.

I think it’s really good as a root scale, because it has a perfect 5th in it, so it has a dominant chord - in fact its dominant scale is obviously the Persian scale itself.

Whereas the Persian scale doesn’t have a dominant, it has a b5. Although it does sound very lovely, it’s more limited in its harmonic use.

Edit - and sorry, yep it’s not a sharp 7 in traditional notation, I was notating it as though it were in G minor for some reason. Forgive me

carlos · January 2023

viz said:

Edit - and sorry, yep it’s not a sharp 7 in traditional notation, I was notating it as though it were in G minor for some reason. Forgive me

You're forgiven.

And the one I posted also has a P5, which I agree is essential for a root scale.

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