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Shaving saddle

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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 4353
    Tech did it. Used to think this thing would be disaster but it's just an inconvenience - it's a low cost thing to just get a new saddle again if needed. I was reading Tommy Emmanuel has his at 1.6mm. My Larry's are 2.2mm and the break angle is 40-45 degrees. Avalon break angle now more like 15-20 degrees. I took some pics but busy just now as my dishwasher just leaked all over my kitchen floor uugghhhh
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  • guitarjack66guitarjack66 Frets: 1397
    thomasross20 said:
    Tech did it. Used to think this thing would be disaster but it's just an inconvenience - it's a low cost thing to just get a new saddle again if needed. I was reading Tommy Emmanuel has his at 1.6mm. My Larry's are 2.2mm and the break angle is 40-45 degrees. Avalon break angle now more like 15-20 degrees. I took some pics but busy just now as my dishwasher just leaked all over my kitchen floor uugghhhh
    Could have been worse. I'm the dishwasher in my house!!
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  • MellishMellish Frets: 945
    Tommy Emmanuel may have 1.6mm but what string gauge?

    :) 
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 4353
    edited October 2022
    Oh - gauge 12 ! I should try this... good point, thanks. 

    I re-took the measurements and it's 2.25mm low E and 2mm high E - so seems pretty normal to me. 
    Except the break angle is less now.

    Story is Avalon said the action was ~2mm when they originally sent it to me. 
    I never took measures at the time. I noticed a bit of buzz...
    So the tech tweaked the truss rod. Buzz disappeared. 
    But action seemed to have gotten bit worse, strings felt high. 
    So tech shaved saddle down a bit. 
    Now the break angle is a bit low and still have a bit of buzz. 
    --> I now think I should have just left it as it was and not tweaked the rod or shaved the saddle!
    --> Nothing that can't be fixed with a new saddle and tweaking the rod back, to get same action with higher break angle.

    OK for completeness, here's my OM-O2 break angle
    IMG_20221005_211242

    OM-O3:
    IMG_20221005_210352

    Avalon: 
    IMG_20221005_210313
    IMG_20221005_210326

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  • MellishMellish Frets: 945
    edited October 2022
    The break angle the Avalon has doesn't look much. However, if the strings don't move along the saddle as you strum, that should be OK. 

    What string gauge was it shipped with?

    EDIT: if unhappy, find out what relief Avalon set it at. They should know, and you already know it was 2mm at the 12th. This should get you back to factory setup. 

     
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 4353
    Good call... 
    TBH I don't know what that means, what relief it was set to. You're referring to truss rod but how do you measure this?
    Maybe I'm being stupid..

    I'm actually going go take this for a second look if another tech gets back to me, to get his opinion. Can't hurt - and for a £££ instrument I don't mind £50-100 to get it right. Maybe it is and I'm being picky.

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  • MellishMellish Frets: 945
    Sorry - yes, neck relief :) 
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  • MellishMellish Frets: 945
    If a 14 fret to body, capo on first fret, fret 6th string at 15th and with free hand measure gap between string and fret at 7th. The figure you get is the amount of relief in the neck :) 
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 4353
    Ah thank you!
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  • cybernautcybernaut Frets: 15
    I'm going to sand down the bridge on my acoustic today. I've been playing with high action long enough.
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  • thomasross20thomasross20 Frets: 4353
    Can't stand high action. Good luck! 
    So the relief "feels" fine, same as my Larry's

    There are some specific things which I play which seem to aggravate it. E.g. pluck two specific notes then one on string in between. It's the same on all my guitars. Like I've found the holy grail of buzz lol
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