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Emp_Fab · January 2022

I spent 20 minutes typing a reply to the valid comments made in the thread about a particular European country, explaining the irrationality of it and ending with a funny clip from stand-up Dylan Moran talking about the very thing I was referring to - only to find the thread had been closed, with no comment why. It's very frustrating. Please can you add a comment (or an entry in the interventions thread) that explains why a thread is being closed. At the moment, I don't really know whether mine was closed because the subject matter - irrational fears - was deemed unacceptable, whether there was an avalanche of flags, whether the last reply was considered an ad-hom or whether it was none of those and just a "Ooh, this might go off the rails, let's shut it down just in case".

If the rules are not explicitly laid out in fine detail like a legal contract (which is clearly a ludicrous proposition) then the only way anyone can know where the lines are is when they get feedback to say why what they've said is considered to have crossed the line.

TTony · January 2022

The usual explanation is "thread closed whilst modmin team decide what to do".

It then invariably stays closed.

I understand that (a) the modmin team have lives (some of them anyways) and (b) the above explanation is a useful way of letting things just calm down, but just closing with no comment is another step away from the original principle of transparent modding.

mrkb · January 2022

The ones I see getting closed seem to be the contentious ones you start - perhaps thinking about "why am I posting this" might help.

Roland · January 2022

As @mrkb says, the opening post was contentious, and the thread was beginning to receive some aggressive responses. So it was closed pending moderator consideration. We have decided to let the thread run.

TTony said:

... the modmin team have lives ...

... and life got in the way for a few minutes.

axisus · January 2022

It's usually fairly obvious to be honest. Although many years ago I had a thread closed the second I started it by a rather sensitive mod. It was a joke Bonamassa mag cover, and I was told "I think we've had enough JB bashing".

poopot · January 2022

Please provide feedback on why a thread is closed.

Normally coz it’s one you started…

Mattharrier · January 2022

It was a shit post that was at best deliberately antagonistic, and at worst openly racist - or xenophobic, if hairs really need to be split. Just because you think a thing doesn't mean you need to post it.

poopot · January 2022

TTony said:

but just closing with no comment is another step away from the original principle of transparent modding.

Of which you are no longer involved with…

so stop criticising!…

vasselmeyer · January 2022

It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs, rather than a guitar forum.

digitalscream · January 2022

Emp_Fab said:

I spent 20 minutes typing a reply to the valid comments made in the thread about a particular European country, explaining the irrationality of it and ending with a funny clip from stand-up Dylan Moran talking about the very thing I was referring to - only to find the thread had been closed, with no comment why. It's very frustrating. Please can you add a comment (or an entry in the interventions thread) that explains why a thread is being closed. At the moment, I don't really know whether mine was closed because the subject matter - irrational fears - was deemed unacceptable, whether there was an avalanche of flags, whether the last reply was considered an ad-hom or whether it was none of those and just a "Ooh, this might go off the rails, let's shut it down just in case".

If the rules are not explicitly laid out in fine detail like a legal contract (which is clearly a ludicrous proposition) then the only way anyone can know where the lines are is when they get feedback to say why what they've said is considered to have crossed the line.

The thread was closed while we discussed it, we just forgot to put a note on there (which would've just said "Thread closed after a bunch of flags", as per usual).

For the record, you were warned a couple of months ago that we'd run out of patience with your shock-and-outrage threads because they cause bad feeling throughout the forum (presumably by design, since it happens so often and you keep doing it), and we've explained this to you on a number of occasions - especially your style of, "Chuck a grenade over the fence and watch what happens" followed by a post a couple of pages in claiming innocence and how you've been totally misunderstood, which just pisses everyone off even more. You promised to stop doing it, and - lo and behold - here we are a couple of months later, with you doing it again. This is basically the most epic, slow-burning Rule #1 breach that has been in progress for years.

The time differential was due to us discussing whether we should break the usual progression of sanctions on your behalf, since you've already had the maximum number of cooler stays; at that point, our only remaining options were a) a full ban, or b) pleading with you to stop it one final time so we can avoid banning you, because we really don't want to.

TTony said:

The usual explanation is "thread closed whilst modmin team decide what to do".

It then invariably stays closed.

I understand that (a) the modmin team have lives (some of them anyways) and (b) the above explanation is a useful way of letting things just calm down, but just closing with no comment is another step away from the original principle of transparent modding.

That almost never happens. In this case, there was no comment because I distracted Roland before he could do so, with a discussion on what to do about it. As a result of that discussion, the thread was reopened and the note was changed to a warning not to let it get out of hand (mainly because our memories aren't what they were and we couldn't initially find the above warning, and action wasn't justified without it).

guitartango · January 2022

To be fair to @Emp_Fab , I didn't find his post racist, just a little strange ?

"I don't know about you but I have a hard time completely separating modern-day Germany from the unbridled evil that was the Third Reich"

That's your opinion of course, and you are entitled to it, like my mine with the Farty Towers...."Don't mention the war".

Hootsmon · January 2022

I think what they are sayin' Emp is if you don't stop being naughty you are gonna get Drew'd, and Jeez man, you have had fair warning

octatonic · January 2022

Emp_Fab said:

I spent 20 minutes typing a reply to the valid comments made in the thread about a particular European country, explaining the irrationality of it and ending with a funny clip from stand-up Dylan Moran talking about the very thing I was referring to - only to find the thread had been closed, with no comment why. It's very frustrating. Please can you add a comment (or an entry in the interventions thread) that explains why a thread is being closed. At the moment, I don't really know whether mine was closed because the subject matter - irrational fears - was deemed unacceptable, whether there was an avalanche of flags, whether the last reply was considered an ad-hom or whether it was none of those and just a "Ooh, this might go off the rails, let's shut it down just in case".

If the rules are not explicitly laid out in fine detail like a legal contract (which is clearly a ludicrous proposition) then the only way anyone can know where the lines are is when they get feedback to say why what they've said is considered to have crossed the line.

Are you having some sort of breakdown?

Emp_Fab · January 2022

vasselmeyer said:

It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs, rather than a guitar forum.

So what you're suggesting is that people should only openly discuss topics that they are sure everyone else will already agree with ???? Is that your notion of a forum ?? That talking openly about a subject that everyone might not all agree on is to be avoided at all costs because no-one is able to have an adult discussion and express their viewpoints without screaming abuse at each other ?

Has it really come to that ?

mrkb · January 2022

Emp_Fab said:

vasselmeyer said:

It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs, rather than a guitar forum.

So what you're suggesting is that people should only openly discuss topics that they are sure everyone else will already agree with ???? Is that your notion of a forum ?? That talking openly about a subject that everyone might not all agree on is to be avoided at all costs because no-one is able to have an adult discussion and express their viewpoints without screaming abuse at each other ?

Has it really come to that ?

Its a guitar forum...... with a social aspect. As Vasselmayer said - post to your mates on Facebook or down the pub if you want to engage people in 'edgy' topics. Do you sit down next to strangers on the bus and ask whether they have fears of other countries and expect a sensible conversation?

VimFuego · January 2022

mrkb said:

Emp_Fab said:

vasselmeyer said:

It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs, rather than a guitar forum.

So what you're suggesting is that people should only openly discuss topics that they are sure everyone else will already agree with ???? Is that your notion of a forum ?? That talking openly about a subject that everyone might not all agree on is to be avoided at all costs because no-one is able to have an adult discussion and express their viewpoints without screaming abuse at each other ?

Has it really come to that ?

Its a guitar forum...... with a social aspect. As Vasselmayer said - post to your mates on Facebook or down the pub if you want to engage people in 'edgy' topics. Do you sit down next to strangers on the bus and ask whether they have fears of other countries and expect a sensible conversation?

I've been told that when I sit down on the bus, I'm the stranger. Or possibly the strangest.

One of them anyways.

TTony · January 2022

Anyone who gets on a bus *has* to be strange.

Its a requirement.

Its why you need a ticket to get on - they don’t let any old ornery person on.

McSwaggerty · January 2022

We have recently just got rid of one obnoxious Dick, don't you be the next.
and secondly I'm from Germany - Hamburg. I am mainly on this forum to talk and discuss guitars.

monquixote · January 2022

Emp_Fab said:

vasselmeyer said:

It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs, rather than a guitar forum.

So what you're suggesting is that people should only openly discuss topics that they are sure everyone else will already agree with ???? Is that your notion of a forum ?? That talking openly about a subject that everyone might not all agree on is to be avoided at all costs because no-one is able to have an adult discussion and express their viewpoints without screaming abuse at each other ?

Has it really come to that ?

No it's because you constantly create threads written in a excessively polarised manner which stirs up conflict.
I'm sure it's not your intention, but they usually read like the editorial of a Daily Mail columnist. Tailor made to stir up shit and create an argument.
If you genuinely don't understand why the way you phrase things causes this to happen I suggest you lay off posting on contentious topics.

Not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to explain.

guitartango · January 2022

McSwaggerty said:

We have recently just got rid of one obnoxious Dick, don't you be the next.
and secondly I'm from Germany - Hamburg. I am mainly on this forum to talk and discuss guitars.

I love Hamburg, been there a few times over the past years. Great live music

Deijavoo · January 2022

Bring back facepalms.

LastMantra · January 2022

The problem with the way this place is mod'ed and it's rules is it's almost garenteed to become a clique. If it's not already.

digitalscream · January 2022

LastMantra said:

The problem with the way this place is mod'ed and it's rules is it's almost garenteed to become a clique. If it's not already.

Exactly how is it a clique?

Bridgehouse · January 2022

digitalscream said:

LastMantra said:

The problem with the way this place is mod'ed and it's rules is it's almost garenteed to become a clique. If it's not already.

Exactly how is it a clique?

And moreover, how should it be mod’ed to ensure it isn’t inevitably a clique, in your opinion?

LastMantra · January 2022

digitalscream said:

LastMantra said:

The problem with the way this place is mod'ed and it's rules is it's almost garenteed to become a clique. If it's not already.

Exactly how is it a clique?

Clique is probably not the best word for it but it does seem to attract a particular type of person, and I'd imagine puts off people that don't fit that type.

I'm not complaining, just pointing out something I actually thought was pretty obvious.

Bridgehouse · January 2022

LastMantra said:

digitalscream said:

LastMantra said:

The problem with the way this place is mod'ed and it's rules is it's almost garenteed to become a clique. If it's not already.

Exactly how is it a clique?

Clique is probably not the best word for it but it does seem to attract a particular type of person, and I'd imagine puts off people that don't fit type.

I'm not complaining, just pointing out something I actually thought was pretty obvious.

You could argue that music/playing guitar attracts a particular type of person… it’s certainly true in the real world.

monquixote · January 2022

LastMantra said:

digitalscream said:

LastMantra said:

The problem with the way this place is mod'ed and it's rules is it's almost garenteed to become a clique. If it's not already.

Exactly how is it a clique?

Clique is probably not the best word for it but it does seem to attract a particular type of person, and I'd imagine puts off people that don't fit type.

I'm not complaining, just pointing out something I actually thought was pretty obvious.

Do you mean more like an "Echo Chamber"

I think all communities become that to a degree, but the trick is to be one that's somewhat welcoming and tolerant.

vasselmeyer · January 2022

Emp_Fab said:

vasselmeyer said:

It's because you start threads which are polarising. You're either trolling or are crashingly insensitive to how divisive they are. For whatever reason you start them, in my opinion you're better off doing that on Facebook where bullshit like that belongs, rather than a guitar forum.

So what you're suggesting is that people should only openly discuss topics that they are sure everyone else will already agree with ???? Is that your notion of a forum ?? That talking openly about a subject that everyone might not all agree on is to be avoided at all costs because no-one is able to have an adult discussion and express their viewpoints without screaming abuse at each other ?

Has it really come to that ?

No. I'm suggesting that you are either so obtuse that you can't understand what you're provoking or that you are doing it deliberately in order to provoke a reaction that you can then pretend you were misunderstood. As it seems the mods have told you several times to stop doing it, the latter option seems to be the most likely.

This is mostly a pleasant place and some of the outpourings of generousity for members in need are why it's special. It's moderated quite lightly and, in my opinion, you're probably the cause of quite a lot of work for those mods.

There are other outlets for this kind of behaviour and, again in my opinion, this forum would be all the better for it if you took your needy, passive aggressive nonsense somewhere else. Your posts don't make you look clever and they're not thought-provoking. They just make you look like a dick.

LastMantra · January 2022

Bridgehouse said:

digitalscream said:

LastMantra said:

The problem with the way this place is mod'ed and it's rules is it's almost garenteed to become a clique. If it's not already.

Exactly how is it a clique?

And moreover, how should it be mod’ed to ensure it isn’t inevitably a clique, in your opinion?

I suppose by having strict rules that can't be misinterpreted and a wider selection of mods?

Again, I'm not complaining here, it's not my forum it's totally up to you guys how you want to run it.

Bridgehouse · January 2022

LastMantra said:

Bridgehouse said:

digitalscream said:

LastMantra said:

The problem with the way this place is mod'ed and it's rules is it's almost garenteed to become a clique. If it's not already.

Exactly how is it a clique?

And moreover, how should it be mod’ed to ensure it isn’t inevitably a clique, in your opinion?

I suppose by having strict rules that can't be misinterpreted and a wider selection of mods?

You would be amazed by how much time we spend answering rules-lawyering questions already. If you tighten them, add detail etc. then that lawyering increases exponentially.

A larger modmin team would mean decisions took much longer as well - as you wait for people to be available and present their opinion. Also, Lee feels bad enough asking a selection of us to give up time to do this already - I would imagine he’d feel worse if there was a larger number.

monquixote · January 2022

LastMantra said:

Bridgehouse said:

digitalscream said:

LastMantra said:

The problem with the way this place is mod'ed and it's rules is it's almost garenteed to become a clique. If it's not already.

Exactly how is it a clique?

And moreover, how should it be mod’ed to ensure it isn’t inevitably a clique, in your opinion?

I suppose by having strict rules that can't be misinterpreted and a wider selection of mods?

Think about the whole team of legal people arguing if the Epstein agreement applies to Prince Andrew and you will see why this can't work.

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