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Inversions and triads up next bro. Already with only two weeks study I can see things a little clearer on the fretboard and some fingerings that were not apparent to me are appearing everywhere with caged. For many many years I was content to knock lumps out of my guitar without truly knowing what I was doing..... This has given me a new lease of life..........
Probably of doubtful value if you are primarily a covers/ note for note kinda person.
Good on you. You should know by now I'm a big fan / advocate of JustinGuitar so ...
look here for theory:
http://justinguitar.com/en/PR-010-PracticalMusicTheory.php
look here for CAGED:
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TB-031-CAGEDsystem1.php
look here for chord building:
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/PR-011-ChordConstructionGuide.php
look here for triads:
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/CH-008-Triads.php
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/IM-151-TriadGrips.php
@viz
re: CAGED
CAGED is not at all arbitrary ... it maps the instrument we play.
"The CAGED system was not 'invented'. It is a fact. It is how the guitar works and comes directly from the tuning of the instrument combined with western harmony." (Justin Sandercoe)
If anyone wants to know how / why CAGED is relevant & important and useful for playing with inversions? Watch this 9 minute video:
It's Tim Pierce showing inversions, arpeggiating, melodic chords & soloing.
That whole CAGED thing is real. Whether you have called it CAGED or not. Great moment when he says 'you taught me something'. Tim Pierce doesn't call it CAGED but it is CAGED he is using. There may be some great players who claim not to know or use CAGED" yet they can play chords all over the neck. It's because they simply see the arrangement of the chords by default. They never needed the 'name of the system' because they just automatically saw it. It's still CAGED. It's just how the guitar works.
@bigjon
Yes. Just so. You should enjoy that video above.
I think more helpful is the 3 main inversions driven from the E string (ECA), and the 3 main inversions from the A string (AGD):
Chords driven from the E-string, eg. E major:
Root: E-shape chord, eg 022100
1st: C-shape chord, eg 476454
2nd: A-shape chord, eg 779997
And chords driven from the A string, eg. A major:
Root: A-shape chord, eg x02220
1st: G-shape chord, eg x4222(5)
2nd: D-shape chord, eg x 8 8 10 11 11
You could extend it to chords driven from the D string, eg D major, but of course once you're away from the nut, this is the same as the E-shape so it's a bit irrelevant:
Root: D-shape chord, eg xx0232
1st: C-shape chord, eg xx4232
2nd: A-shape chord, eg xx7775
Anyway, in summary, I think ECA/AGD is more helpful than CAGED. It tells you that whenever you're playing a C-bar chord on all strings, you're playing a 1st inversion. Same when you're playing a G-shape chord without the bottom string. Anyway that's just me.
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I half-way like CAGED, but rather than use it for theory, I use it as the next chord shape, for the same chord, up the neck.
IE, using a C major you have the open C, A-shape C, G-shape C ETC.
Edit, easier to say, than write/explain in writing.
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Reading this reminds me that I will never understand music theory. Ever.
I have tried to learn CAGED and found it difficult to apply in a musical context. The only benefit I could see is playing chords in a different place so that the guitar is more prominant in a band context i.e. not clashing with a bass player or other guitarist.
Nowadays I am content to play open E, A and D chords
The thing is different chord shapes sound amazing on different instruments.
I play C and D barre chords a lot on my Bass VI ... they're some of the nicer chords anyway, but on a Bass VI they're please-drop-yer-panties nice.
I've pursued music theory for years and it's a cul-de-sac, to me. Nothing beats sitting down with a set of chords and simply slogging away till they're in your head as sounds and finger patterns ... what's why the E A and D chords spring forth for you - repetition.
You don't need to know that a some of the time a chord pattern has a long name that implies it's used for Jazz.. some of the simplest chord patterns have the most confusing names... what's more it stops people playing chords in "the wrong place" if they know the name... if you hear a space where that sound belongs... why remember some rule that says that shouldn't be the case?
If you know the sound and the pattern... when you want to hear it BAM!! it's there, it might sneak into a song you know and improve it or you might make something new from it.
The important thing is the sound and the patterns - the theory is generally used by farts on the internet to argue, if you play in a band and someone says what did you play there?!! if it sounded good they were playing something else ... which helped it sound good - so why do they need to know? Tell them and they might pinch it without giving credit.
In music, the most important thing is feeling good about yourself, otherwise you'll play badly, training helps some people feel better about themselves under more pressure is all. Music Theory isn't that kind of training.
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Right.... I've read that 16 times and still I'm not Sure I get what your saying .......E string driven???. Wtf does that mean ? 'C bar chord on all the string = first inversion' ok fine but where's the root? Gaaaahhhhhh!
So what was intended to be "can you figure out 217 x 325" turns into "can you figure out 217 x 325 using the grid method" - kids who were perfectly good at maths became doubtful because they could solve the problem easily - just not using the device asked for.
The premise of the numeracy work was to teach a broad spectrum of techniques so that kids found ONE that worked. All they need is one way of doing it.
Just like all we need is one method of memorising the fretboard. That DOES NOT mean there's "one true way" there definitely isn't.
As guitarist I've several chord patterns I enjoy hearing: D barre chords, C moveable chords, E and A barre chords... I've not explored G barre chords (face it 2 frets up are the A barre chords that fall under the fingers faster than staying on the same fret and finding unfamilliar chords...
The final part of my individual and not endorsed view is this - it's all about chords, chords a really good indicator of good notes for a melodic line, the jazz mantra is try it in all keys ... that's the same voicing experimented with in all other contexts - doesn't need to be learned unless you think the sound will be useful. .. in doin that CAGED becomes irrelevant... after all you don't know all 2-30 letter combinations of the alphabet - you know "badger", "mozambique", "cuttle-fish", "wobble" - specific "licks" and when to use them and for all that you don't feel a fraud or that you need to have a profound understanding of phonetics - to help you invent that entirely new sentence.
You know the sentence that goes "xzxyxyx xyyxyx yzxyz zxyzyzx, zxyzyx zyx z yxyzyx!" ah hah! ah hahaha hahaha (laugh with me, it's actually hilarious)..
Find a way that works give it a six months to a year of really trying and if it isn't working out, try something else if you feel like it
If you want to play guitar, you don't need to talk about how you know what you know and you don't need to have an encyclopaedic knowledge - you need enough to play the sounds you want to hear.
I'm sorry @harpo, I'm really bad at explaining this and it's coming across complicated when it isn't. I just mean chords with the bottom note on the low E string (not necessarily the root). Here's what I mean and apologies for the playing etc.
So that's 3 E chords (root, 1st, 2nd) - the E shape, the C shape and the A shape; and 3 A-chords (root, 1st, 2nd) - the A shape, the G shape, the D shape.
And that's why I think ECA and AGD are more useful and more musically relevant than CAGED. To me it just seems a more music-based construct not a technique-based construct, because the fact that the chords are roots and inversions, at least to me, is more important than just different ways of playing the same chord.