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Cover Challenge #15 - brought to you by the letter "B"

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  • HabaneroHabanero Frets: 225

    Bezzer said:
    Habanero said:
    I find the hardest thing about vocals is trying to do your own backing. It normally requires a few takes to get the lead vocals done, and then when I try the backing it sounds too similar.
    Little alter boy, or similar! I use the formant shifter on that to change the shape of my voice on backing vocals. Doesn’t change what I’ve sung but makes me sound sort of like a different person. 

    Does sound a bit shit on its own but blended with a few others it’s pretty passable. If used delicately.
    I've tried pitch shifting with variable success. I wrote one song called "Tony" which was about Tony Soprano. When a friend heard it he actually liked that the chorus backing sounded like a group of mob wiseguys.

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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 9089
    Habanero said:

    Bezzer said:
    Habanero said:
    I find the hardest thing about vocals is trying to do your own backing. It normally requires a few takes to get the lead vocals done, and then when I try the backing it sounds too similar.
    Little alter boy, or similar! I use the formant shifter on that to change the shape of my voice on backing vocals. Doesn’t change what I’ve sung but makes me sound sort of like a different person. 

    Does sound a bit shit on its own but blended with a few others it’s pretty passable. If used delicately.
    I've tried pitch shifting with variable success. I wrote one song called "Tony" which was about Tony Soprano. When a friend heard it he actually liked that the chorus backing sounded like a group of mob wiseguys.

    An other (and poss more effective) way…

    slow the playback down so it’s a semi tone lower… record your bv’s and then playback at normal speed. 

    Will sound like someone else on the bv’s without being too chipmonk
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  • BezzerBezzer Frets: 572
    Yeah pitch shifting will just lead you into a world of frustration. And never sounds very clean past a tone or so. 
    Formant shifting is different though, it doesn’t change the pitch, it’s adjusts the timbre of the voice so you can make it sound distinct … not like “you again”.
    if it’s the pitch you struggle with I recommend working it out on guitar / piano / harp whatever and recording a harmony to your vocal then using that as a reference when singing. Sometimes it’s a lot easier singing along to a line than trying to remember it.
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 6086
    I'll be using little alter boy this time. Taken me a while to get to grips with what it can do. Another effect I like to use is The Mouth, though needs a bit of a light touch as it can sound too weird. Good if mixed in gently. 

    Not only do I struggle with the actual singing, but also with the placement in the mix. Especially if the instrumental track is quite full and complex. Ah, yep, like this track I'm doing!

    Got plenty of time anyway
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  • SpringywheelSpringywheel Frets: 860
    edited July 2021
    In addition to LAB, I guess you could also add modulation fx to the backing vocals to change their character - chorus, phaser, filters etc. mix them in low, so they’re not too prominent, but it’s obvious you’ve taken them out when muted. Try a Leslie speaker emulation as well. 
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  • IMC1980IMC1980 Frets: 135
    Habanero said:
    I find the hardest thing about vocals is trying to do your own backing. It normally requires a few takes to get the lead vocals done, and then when I try the backing it sounds too similar.
    Little alter boy, or similar! I use the formant shifter on that to change the shape of my voice on backing vocals. Doesn’t change what I’ve sung but makes me sound sort of like a different person. 

    Does sound a bit shit on its own but blended with a few others it’s pretty passable. If used delicately.
    Some pretty aggressive EQing can help; low pass or high pass much further than you normally would or do the telephone band trick. Little Alterboy is also good, delays with different settings to the main vocal can add variety.
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  • BezzerBezzer Frets: 572
    Mine has reached the stage where its "call it finished or work on it forever" so ... I've sent it in.

    Bit different for me, there's sod all guitar on it :)  Hope some of you like my version of this "fucking terrible song" :)
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 9089
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  • SpringywheelSpringywheel Frets: 860
    edited July 2021
    I actually prefer your cover to the original....sounds better with piano/orchestral sounds vs the cheesy synths.
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  • BezzerBezzer Frets: 572
    @Springywheel wow, thank you! I wasn’t sure if it was a bit too much but I’m pretty happy with it. 
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  • HabaneroHabanero Frets: 225
    @Bezzer ;I agree with Springywheel. I still don’t get the lyrics, but that’s not your fault  =)
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  • IMC1980IMC1980 Frets: 135
    Fucking epic @Bezzer!
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 9089
    IMC1980 said:
    Fucking epic @Bezzer!
    Agree… maybe start thinking of a song beginning with “C” :)
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  • BezzerBezzer Frets: 572
    Thank you all! Thank you very much! 
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  • Sent mine in.

    It's not a competition.
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 9089
    Sent mine in.

    3 in the playlist now, Anymore on the way?

    https://soundcloud.com/thefretboard/sets/cover-challenge-15
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 6086
    yes, I've got one not far off done/
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  • HabaneroHabanero Frets: 225
    Sent one in. It's a bit mad, but I've had fun doing it!
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 9089
    Habanero said:
    Sent one in. It's a bit mad, but I've had fun doing it!
    Got it… will upload in the morning now…

    Getting away from that, I just stood at the back, shouted everyone attack and nowt happened! Dog looked startled tho’ ;)
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  • HabaneroHabanero Frets: 225
    I just noticed that "The Lost Boys" is currently available on iPlayer for the next few days...
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  • BezzerBezzer Frets: 572
    Habanero said:
    I just noticed that "The Lost Boys" is currently available on iPlayer for the next few days...
    Then everyone should get on that shizzle! :)
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 6086
    Sent in my effort. Barrel of A Gun. I just couldn't get on with Beauty Has Her Way, and I tried!!


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  • Snap said:
    Sent in my effort. Barrel of A Gun. I just couldn't get on with Beauty Has Her Way, and I tried!!


    That's been sent to me so I'll add it to the playlist for @poopot ;
    It's not a competition.
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 9089
    Snap said:
    Sent in my effort. Barrel of A Gun. I just couldn't get on with Beauty Has Her Way, and I tried!!


    That's been sent to me so I'll add it to the playlist for @poopot ;
    Ha… was sitting here wondering where it was :)
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 6086
    sorry chaps! autofill on the address I bet.
    Thanks
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  • poopot said:
    Snap said:
    Sent in my effort. Barrel of A Gun. I just couldn't get on with Beauty Has Her Way, and I tried!!


    That's been sent to me so I'll add it to the playlist for @poopot ;
    Ha… was sitting here wondering where it was :)

    It's in the playlist now.

    It's not a competition.
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  • IMC1980IMC1980 Frets: 135
    Snap said:
    Sent in my effort. Barrel of A Gun. I just couldn't get on with Beauty Has Her Way, and I tried!!


    I like it! No entry from me this time, been busy with other stuff.
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  • BezzerBezzer Frets: 572
    Snap said:
    Sent in my effort. Barrel of A Gun. I just couldn't get on with Beauty Has Her Way
    My man, that is just awesome! Fantastic job, I’d forgotten how good a song that was.
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 6086
    Thanks fellas. It's one of my favourite DM tracks, shame the rest of the album isn't as good!! 
    Tbh. I found it quite tricky to sing, and I naively thought it would be easy. It's got a very distinct meter to the vocal and I struggled with the phrasing. Not too bad in the end, but I did so many takes over about 6 months. In the end I just thought well that will have to do.
    Then the whole palaver of mixing vocals full stop which I never ever find easy. Instrumentals are so much easier!!
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