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For me the aim is not to have the most hi-fi accurate sound but to be able to hear what I need to hear to play my part well. I have used IEMs as a bass player where all I needed was the drums and myself above the rest of the band, and I use them now (right up until lockdowns started) as a drummer, where I have a metronome and the main vocalist - I have tried mixing the whole band but it gets more complicated and simple suits me.
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I got a pair of KZ ZS10s for general listening and which I thought would be ok as backups. They fit better than the Shures, they sound great - the trouble is that, for some reason, they affect my ability to pitch yet I’m fine with the ACS. I have done literally hundreds of tests and the difference is quite marked.
The cheapest ACS monitor is the Evoke 2 classic which is the same sorta price as a Shure SE425 I think.
Whats wrong with non IEM types? Is it the appearance for videos?
Aren't the Shure SE series kinda traditional headphone types?
I think longer term though custom mould is the way to go, but this won't be for a while. Alternatively I think they do the custom mould thing for it too if I get an impression taken for an extra £150 or so.
ACS recommended the Evolve one with the triple driver, for an all round performance, but they're like £400+. Have read about theirs breaking as well.
Have looked at Cosmic Ears too and they seem to get a good rep from many people so may check them out.
I also see the actual monitor has a faceplate to completely cover the ear concha whereas my recently ordered Snugs Pro sleeves don't really do that.
Just trying to decide which driver I want out of the CE3/4/6P. The 6 is meant to be the best of the best, never listened to music with 2 dual drivers for bass/mid/treble before. The 3 driver one is good, but I wonder if the CE4P would be the happy medium without having to spend more than I need? Or should I just go with the 6 and make sure I get the best possible IEM's.
I've read that more drivers don't necessarily mean better sound, so would 6 be necessary? There would be 2 for low/mid/high. I notice alot of the studio musicians and YouTube guitarists use the 6 driver one. Drummers more the 4 one as they need more bass response.
I'd say that if you're going to the trouble of getting custom fit, you might as well get the best you can afford, because you can't just swap them afterwards, so if you can stretch to the 6 I'd go for it. I'm sure the 4 are great too though.
Worth bearing in mind that moulds aren't forever as your ears continue to change shape so you'll have to look at fresh ones in 4-5 years. If you're earning from gigging though (or even if you're not), £200ish a year over the typical time before you need new ones to have both protection from stage noise and clarity of sound is a solid investment.
I've always had the approach of going just one above the recommended one, I can just about afford the 6's, but don't want to be disappointed after pouring so much money into them. If I have to change them after 5 years as well that's another factor.
I don’t think the CE4s are necessarily a middle option. All three models have different characteristics.
The 3s were the best fit for my purpose. If I use them to listen to music on Spotify then I boost the EQ.
I also record a little bit and do those video cover things on YouTube, where the video is edited to show different angles etc. I play a variety of styles but its mostly rock and metalcore genres, so lots of lower end from the kick drum and bass. If I'm listening to music in general its not always going to be on these.
3's are based of 6's I was told, there's £360 difference between the two.
As a starting point - what, if anything, do you feel is missing from the 535's?
It's always a problems with IEMs knowing what you need as custom moulds aren't something that you can try first. I have a pair of ACS single driver custom moulds which I used for several years but then I took advantage of a special offer and bought a pair of 535's direct from Sennheiser. Having found a suitable tip I much prefer the 535's as it would seem that, for me at least, multiple drivers are more important than a custom fit – but we’re all different.
But yeah the Snugs Pro custom sleeves for the SE535's aren't good enough, there's not enough sound isolation and the bass response is poor, partly due to the way they fit. There's no faceplate on these so there's a gap in the seal. My guitar can sound horrible when I play through my Kemper. Have to open my jaw a bit to get it sitting right after pushing them in.
We compared my current sleeves and she noticed straight away the right ear canal doesn't extend fully past the 2nd bend and is too fat and short to go deep enough. So a bad impression resulting in a poor fit. We took 2 impressions, and used the bite block for both. When I had to sit there for the gooey gunk stuff to set I literally couldn't hear anything which is a sign. I could also see from her impressions they go deeper and you can see my canals narrow towards the end as well. So more detailed.
I'm glad I got it done properly and now face an anxious 4 week wait for the new CIEM's. Gisele also said to come back and see her with them if the final fit isn't quite bang on, which is kind of her.
So for the fit...the left side slots in perfectly, very comfortable. The right is a bit fiddly to get in, have to turn and really push to get that tight seal but it gets there eventually.
@mike257 I think you have the same set having spoken in a different thread, did you find you had this too? Shall I give it a few days for it settle in a bit and the ear to get used to it?
Sound quality is great, very clear and you can really feel the music when playing along. Glad I went for the 6 driver model.