Logic X anyone else using it?

stonevibe · August 2013

Been using Logic since the Atari days...

Anyone else here using X?

octatonic · August 2013

Yes, I'm using it.

Also one of the original Notator guys- and I was a beta-tester of Logic V2 until V6 (until the Apple buy-out).

Loving LPX- I can have some truly staggering track and plugin counts now.

stonevibe · August 2013

Ah the ahem wonderful Emagic days...

I'm using Pro Fool more nowadays, but X seems pretty stable.

octatonic · August 2013

I'm mostly using Pro Tools these days too.

Deijavoo · August 2013

I'm tempted by Logic X but Logic 9 for me is just so unstable. Core Audio fail is driving me insane with just a couple of plug ins and tracks. BFD2 seems to cause the most issues but not always, which is kinda why I look at X and wonder if Drummer can ever really replace BFD2?

My gear is more than capable of handling what i'm throwing at it in theory, and even when I do get CPU spikes on Logic I check my CPU usage and it's at 93% idle......

still tempted though...

Deijavoo · August 2013

stonevibe · August 2013

Sounds like your Mac is the issue more than Logic 9.

You may want to trash the Logic plist files and get the OSX install checked out. Try opening Logic under a new user rather than the current account its in.

octatonic · August 2013

stonevibe said:

Sounds like your Mac is the issue more than Logic 9.

You may want to trash the Logic plist files and get the OSX install checked out. Try opening Logic under a new user rather than the current account its in.

Definitely.

Logic 9 has been incredibly stable for me- running very large 100 track projects with many plugins on all channels.

Much more stable then Pro Tools 10 has been. PT11 seems to be better.

stonevibe · August 2013

I haven't had Logic crash since about version 5.5 / 6.

So if 9 is acting unstable, it is likely one of the following audio card drivers,plugin unstable, OSX unstable, Logic preferences or Mac has hardware issue.

Easiest way to check is do what I suggested in my earlier post.

Then if its still misbehaving then check all drivers and plugins for updates / newer versions.

Worst case scenario is your Mac has bad RAM or is fubar.

Deijavoo · August 2013

Cheers guys. Now then, trashing "plist files". Sorry for my ignorance but how do I do that?

I'm using a mid 2011 imac, quad 2.8 i7 with 4gb ram and a 7200 drive.

I'm not the only one either, there's a lot of people on other sites/forums having the same issue so all your help is really appreciated.

Deijavoo · August 2013

So what is everyone's experience of Drummer? How easy is it to program your own patterns in, is there preset loops to weed through etc....?

Is it a competitor for BFD, SD etc....?

stonevibe · August 2013

You definitely need more RAM for starters. At least 8GB minimum really.

The plist file is found in User Library in Preferences Folder. It will say com.apple.logic.plist or similar. Just put it in the trash, you don't need to empty trash, just put it in. Launch Logic and it will rebuild the plist file.

Deijavoo · August 2013

See, I thought about more ram, 16, possibly 32 but I only use it in 32bit with some of my plug ins and 32but can only use 4gb if I'm not wrong?

octatonic · August 2013

Deijavoo said:

See, I thought about more ram, 16, possibly 32 but I only use it in 32bit with some of my plug ins and 32but can only use 4gb if I'm not wrong?

Sort of.

32bit Logic itself can only address 4GB of RAM but the OS uses more and the EXS plugin (and some others) can address up to an additional 4GB of RAM as they use their own RAM allocation.

I wouldn't try running Logic with under 8GB of RAM myself.

What plugins are you using that are not 64 bit compatible?

Are you running cracks?

(Just want to understand what is going on, not laying blame)

When was the last time you did a fresh install of the OS.

What speed is your HD?

FWIW My rig is a 2010 Mac Pro 2.8 ghz with 10GB RAM- slower than your iMac and I have had no problem doing big mixes.

Deijavoo · August 2013

I did find an article which was discussing about ram swaps, which is using a part of your hard drive in place of ram when using intensive loads.

Only one crack; bfd, which was as I wanted to try it before I spent £200 on it, and even though it sounds great, it's had issues hence not bought it yet. The aubridge is ok but I suspect that's not helping either.

The OS was installed when Lion came out over app store, my internal drive is 7200 and I don't record to external...yet..

octatonic · August 2013

Deijavoo said:

I did find an article which was discussing about ram swaps, which is using a part of your hard drive in place of ram when using intensive loads.

Only one crack; bfd, which was as I wanted to try it before I spent £200 on it, and even though it sounds great, it's had issues hence not bought it yet. The aubridge is ok but I suspect that's not helping either.

The OS was installed when Lion came out over app store, my internal drive is 7200 and I don't record to external...yet..

So you are using Lion?

I would upgrade to Mountain Lion doing a fresh install and reinstall all apps and plugins, using the latest updates for everything.

I do this once every 6 months unless I am in the middle of an album.

BFD is a great product- definitely worth a purchase.

And more RAM, as mentioned earlier.

Deijavoo · August 2013

Cool, thanks for the help and advice.

See how it goes then decide on X.

$-)

Deijavoo · August 2013

Mountain Lion installed, marginally better performance.

Extra 16gb of RAM due to land today from Crucial taking me up to 20.

BFD2 only £116 at the minute from Andertons..hhmmmmm......

A 256gb SSD Thunderbolt drive about £275.....will leave that one last I think.

Whatever happened to dreaming about guitars, effects and amps!!??

I guess the question is, after all this will I really need X?

octatonic · August 2013

Deijavoo said:

Mountain Lion installed, marginally better performance.
Extra 16gb of RAM due to land today from Crucial taking me up to 20.
BFD2 only £116 at the minute from Andertons..hhmmmmm......
A 256gb SSD Thunderbolt drive about £275.....will leave that one last I think.

Whatever happened to dreaming about guitars, effects and amps!!??

I guess the question is, after all this will I really need X?

I'm going to say yes.

The new drummer app is ridiculously cool.

I will always prefer to use a real drummer but the drummer app is a completely new concept and takes all the work out of quickly mocking up drums for tracks.

I'm using it a lot.

Also Logic X is fully 64 bit with no 32bit bridge- this is a good thing.

The 32 bit bridge was a buggy piece of shit and I don't miss it at all.

You can open Logic sessions as far back as 5- Logic 9 could only open 7 onwards.

Metering is improved, the new synths are cool.

Summing stacks are great.

Smart controls are well thought out.

Flex Pitch is great.

Logic remote is one of the best implementations of iPad integration I've seen- it works perfectly and I'm considering getting rid of my hardware controller (Avid Artist) it works so well.

Considering it is £130 for the full version- which is the price of less than my plugins- it is pretty incredible.

octatonic · August 2013

Did you do a fresh install of ML or go over the top?

Deijavoo · August 2013

octatonic;5731" said:
Did you do a fresh install of ML or go over the top?

Excuse my ignorance but I just downloaded it from App Store, installed it from there. Is that not the done thing?

Deijavoo · August 2013

I'd love a real drummer to record but convincing my wife and kids to allow any of the drummers I jam with to come round and set up in my little tiny corner of my house is gonna take some convincing. Actually they'd love it, neighbours would be the real issue I guess.

LOVE BFD when it works mind you.

octatonic · August 2013

Deijavoo said:

octatonic;5731" said:
Did you do a fresh install of ML or go over the top?

Excuse my ignorance but I just downloaded it from App Store, installed it from there. Is that not the done thing?

That is an 'over the top install'.

Not ideal- as any issues that you had in the old OS might reappear in the update.

Usually I would back everything up, create an installer image for the download and then boot into that and reinstall from scratch with a freshly formatted hard drive.

It is the only way to be sure it is a clean install.

octatonic · August 2013

Deijavoo said:

I'd love a real drummer to record but convincing my wife and kids to allow any of the drummers I jam with to come round and set up in my little tiny corner of my house is gonna take some convincing. Actually they'd love it, neighbours would be the real issue I guess.

LOVE BFD when it works mind you.

I have BFD & Superior Drummer.

I use them a lot but the new Logic Drummer app is something new and better for quickly mocking drums up, I think.

Deijavoo · August 2013

Oh....

We'll see how this memory works out tonight and take it from there......

There may be tears....

octatonic · August 2013

Make sure you have a good backup.

Deijavoo · August 2013

No more Core Audio failures!

However I now get "Logic Pro (not responding)" on the Activity Monitor.

*sigh*

SSD Thunderbolt drive to record to next I think.

octatonic · August 2013

When do you get 'not responding' messages?

During record or playback?

Did you upgrade to the latest version of Logic 9? (9.1.8 I think)

You absolutely should get an external drive to record to but I wouldn't bother with SSD- a fast 7200 rpm drive is more than adequate and you will get a bigger drive for your money.

SSD does have advantages as a boot drive but there is no real point as an audio drive.

stonevibe · August 2013

Also you have to set Logic up differently for recording and playback. So remember to go into audio settings and change the buffer size to match what you are doing.

More buffer = longer latency- But a better track count when mixing

Less buffer= low latency and is therefore better for recording audio takes.

Deijavoo · August 2013

Yeah I do read about changing latency for mixing but never really go near it.

I tend to leave it at 256 all the time rightly or wrongly.

I thought SSD just due to potentially future proofing it so to speak. I was going to get a 256, maybe a 480 and use it as a boot drive if possible too.

Who knows, as you may guess I'm a bit of a noob at this stuff.

stonevibe · August 2013

We'll help you fella.

Also there is a useful forum for Logic users here http://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/

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