Western Jam 2020 - Song List Discussion

Brocco · March 2020

This is the place where tracks can be proposed & debated, and volunteers can step forward to request a particular "band" role for the songs they would like to play on, remembering that songs with strong support can be played more than once, with as many band line ups as is required, to ensure that everyone who wants to play on a particular track has the opportunity to do so. It follows that less popular tracks will inevitably get dropped along the way, for example where we do not have volunteers for all key "band" roles, or are outside the range of the vocalists, etc.

Play nicely...

spark240 · March 2020

Snow Patrol - Your all I have ( cause some of us know it ) .
Lizzy - Boys are back in town ( or any other Lizzy really )...Nice Bass line and harmony guitars.
Joe Jackson - Is she really going out ( nice pop song;-))
The Cars - Just whats I needed.

@Brocco - is this sounding familiar ;-)

Brocco · March 2020

@spark240 - it certainly is and there is nothing (well, very little) wrong with that!

stratman3142 · March 2020

spark240 said:

Snow Patrol - Your all I have ( cause some of us know it ) .
Lizzy - Boys are back in town ( or any other Lizzy really )...Nice Bass line and harmony guitars.
Joe Jackson - Is she really going out ( nice pop song;-))
The Cars - Just whats I needed.

@Brocco - is this sounding familiar ;-)

I've played the Thin Lizzy and Joe Jackson tracks in previous bands. Do we assume original keys and structures unless otherwise stated?

I'm happiest with fairly standard (old git) pub pop/rock and funk stuff.

Deleted my original list because too many.

spark240 · March 2020

Unless the vocalists are really stretched Id avoid detunes or capos by a semitone or so, it tends to lead to tons of tuning issues on the day...That said...my Kemper seems fine with it ;-)

Brocco · March 2020

@stratman3142 - hope you are up for a Superstition teach-in in room 2!? Also, Slade did a version of Janis Joplin's Move Over, which I know bits of but not the whole thing, & wondered if you would be up for learning it ahead of the jam in the hope we can get a full band compliment together to perform it on the day?

stratman3142 · March 2020

Brocco said:

@stratman3142 - hope you are up for a Superstition teach-in in room 2!? Also, Slade did a version of Janis Joplin's Move Over, which I know bits of but not the whole thing, & wondered if you would be up for learning it ahead of the jam in the hope we can get a full band compliment together to perform it on the day?

I'm up for learning any tunes provided they're not super complicated and there aren't masses of them.

What would the Superstition teach-in entail? I can predict a (hopefully friendly) discussion about what the actual chords are in the chromatic movement section

Or, to create another debate, perhaps we can get into a discussion about how Alright Now is actually played

Brocco · March 2020

@stratman3142 - literally showing me how you play Superstition is all I would need

Move Over has a good bass line, riff & solo (the last being beyond my current playing ability), but don't believe it to be an overly complicated arrangement for an experienced ear!

mrkb · March 2020

How many are people allowed to propose? I suggest a maximum of three or you end up with too many songs to filter out.

I'd like to propose/play:-

Personal Jesus - Marilyn Manson style

Nightrain - GnR

Dani California - RHCP

stratman3142 · March 2020

mrkb said:

How many are people allowed to propose? I suggest a maximum of three or you end up with too many songs to filter out.

Seems sensible. Ignore my earlier post. I'll think of three.

stratman3142 · March 2020

I'll propose three obvious candidates.

Superstition - Stevie Wonder
Keep Your Hands To Yourself - Georgia Satellites
Word Up - The Gun Version

Brocco · March 2020

It would be very helpful if some kind soul could create and maintain a Spotify playlist for the songs proposed/agreed so we are all clear on the version the proposer has in mind (from experience it is not always 100% crystal)!

spark240 · March 2020

We did google sheet last time didnt we . ?...with all the songs on then you put your name in for it...no names = song doesn't get played

Brocco · March 2020

Yep, so we also need someone to run with creating, populating & sharing such a sheet

Funkfingers · March 2020

spark240 said:

We did google sheet last time, didnt we?

That is how the process began.

spark240 said:

then you put your name in for it. no names = song doesn't get played

This was what caused some suggested songs to fall by the wayside.

The whole event depends upon some attendees being willing to learn and play songs of which they are not necessarily fond. The reward for this selfless act is that others return the favour and play whatever minority interest song you proposed.

When this idealistic state of affairs breaks down, the old standards are invoked. Teenage Kicks, Paranoid, Rockin' In The Free World, all the titles that shops used to ask customers to refrain from playing.

mrkb · March 2020

Having done at least 10 of these over the last three years, there’s always a good selection of songs that people are happy to learn. No need to learn something obscure for the “greater good”. I’ll get a google sheet and Spotify playlist up and running later this evening.

stratman3142 · March 2020

The whole event depends upon some attendees being willing to learn and play songs of which they are not necessarily fond...

Happy to play/learn anything I can handle, apart from Brown Eyed Girl, which I never want to play again in my life

Brocco · March 2020

@mrkb - thank you Mark

mrkb · March 2020

@spark240 - do you want to trim your suggestions down to three?

Heres the googlesheet link for currently suggested songs:-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/169T_e4XsRXzwqt_srOJGTLw-W9zzC_GWws0R-sj56zQ/edit?usp=sharing

Spotify playlist:-
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0wbH9N4uw9vElNQ9jjK3pe?si=CA7h4CFFQCCbEpAjKth16w

Lets please have three suggestions from the rest of the paid up attendees.

octatonic · March 2020

stratman3142 said:

I'll propose three obvious candidates.

Superstition - Stevie Wonder
Keep Your Hands To Yourself - Georgia Satellites
Word Up - The Gun Version

All good.
Battleship Chains by Georgia Satellites is my go to for jams because you don't have to deal with the tricky singing in KYHTY.

spark240 · March 2020

mrkb said:

@spark240 - do you want to trim your suggestions down to three?

Heres the googlesheet link for currently suggested songs:-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/169T_e4XsRXzwqt_srOJGTLw-W9zzC_GWws0R-sj56zQ/edit?usp=sharing

Spotify playlist:-
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0wbH9N4uw9vElNQ9jjK3pe?si=CA7h4CFFQCCbEpAjKth16w

Lets please have three suggestions from the rest of the paid up attendees.

Doc is read only....can you remove Joe Jackson for now please?

mrkb · March 2020

Doc is read only to stop anybody on the internet/forum editing it. I can add people to edit access if they PM me their email addresses.

nickp · March 2020

@mrkb - ramdom suggestion - shall we do the boys are back live edit from live and dangermoose with the long outro?

Brocco · March 2020

Here are the tracks I would like to propose:
Move Over - Slade
Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution - AC/DC
Cold Hard Bitch - Jet

nickp · March 2020

Funkfingers said:

spark240 said:

We did google sheet last time, didnt we?

That is how the process began.

spark240 said:

then you put your name in for it. no names = song doesn't get played

This was what caused some suggested songs to fall by the wayside.

The whole event depends upon some attendees being willing to learn and play songs of which they are not necessarily fond. The reward for this selfless act is that others return the favour and play whatever minority interest song you proposed.

When this idealistic state of affairs breaks down, the old standards are invoked. Teenage Kicks, Paranoid, Rockin' In The Free World, all the titles that shops used to ask customers to refrain from playing.

I don't know any of those - how do you play them? (seriously although I could probably dredge up paranoid and a few minutes with a guitar will give me teenage kicks

) But i'm a late developer so laid dormant until my late 40s when I started a band and learned a bunch of songs (not those) !

nickp · March 2020

As a serious request/suggestion - the songs that are recorded in Eb coz of downtuning - GnR and Lizzy - can we play in standard?

nickp · March 2020

+1 for boys are back, personal jesus, superstition

stratman3142 · March 2020

nickp said:

As a serious request/suggestion - the songs that are recorded in Eb coz of downtuning - GnR and Lizzy - can we play in standard?

nickp said:

+1 for boys are back, personal jesus, superstition

Makes sense. I was going to mention Superstition would be best in E.

As a general point, do we need to make a note of the keys, as I'm guessing whoever sings a song might want to change some keys as well to suit their vocal range.

mrkb · March 2020

nickp said:

@mrkb - ramdom suggestion - shall we do the boys are back live edit from live and dangermoose with the long outro?

Good suggestion Nick - that would be for @spark240 to agree to as its his suggestion.

Regarding key changes - generally we do them as per the original as, rather than change key to suit the singer, we have the singer(s) choose the songs they can sing in the original key. Even then weve had the odd person not learn songs in the original key!?!

Good point about Eb tunings - theyre a pain to accomodate for, so agree doing them in E is OK as long as singer is aware - I will note those on the spreadsheet when we get to song lineup sign up time.

spark240 · March 2020

nickp said:

@mrkb - ramdom suggestion - shall we do the boys are back live edit from live and dangermoose with the long outro?

I dont mind what version TBH, I just think the guitar harmonies are worth a go...

MagicPigDetective · March 2020

Sorry been slow on this. It the jam goes ahead we will be all hopefully over the worst of it and can enjoy thoroughly.

As I said on the other thread I'd love to play something on the heavy side. I and @Roberty have discussed a couple of songs, his suggestion Godzilla by Fu Manchu and mine a rocking Smashing Pumpkins tune to be confirmed. I spose that would one each for us. The Fu Manchu tune is in D Standard (Maybe drop D would be easier?), but I and Roberty (plus another) would be well prepared, would it be ok?

My other two:

Serve the Servants: Nirvana. Would consider having a go at vocals. It's in Eb but do it in E.

Last choice, really not sure...... current thinking:

Boys in the Better Land, DC Fontainesl Fast. Punk anthem of 2019, it would be a lot of fun to play. E standard.

Slayer - Seasons in the Abyss. A ballad in Slayer terms. Can anyone sing such a tune?

Sorry I'm being a bit indecisive

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