Source Audio Collider preset change and MIDI issues

sjo89 · March 2020

Just got my collider. Hooked it up to my Boss ES5 via MIDI. Also using the MIDI THRU on Collider into my Boss MD200. MD200 is on MIDI channel 1, Collider channel 2. Have various presets created on the Collider. Send PC out from ES5. MD200 changes instantaneously, Collider takes over half a second to change and it also makes a little 'click' in signal change, which comes out of amp. Also when changing between presets on collider, there are no trails, which makes changes sound very abrupt (i have trails on feature turn on to via Neuro app). Even when changing channels on the Boss ES5 and both channels use the same Collider preset (i.e. they send the same PC to collider) it 'resets' and all the trails stop. Are these fixable? If not its going back I'm afraid. cheers

ragingben · March 2020

Sorry - I have no expert with the Collider, but I did have the programmable EQ by Source Audio. I had a midi controller changing both the EQ and the amp. The amp channels used to change as good as instantaneously but the EQ seemed to take an age. It was probably less than a quarter of a second but it was really noticeable so I ended up selling it and moving on.

sjo89 · March 2020

ragingben said:

Sorry - I have no expert with the Collider, but I did have the programmable EQ by Source Audio. I had a midi controller changing both the EQ and the amp. The amp channels used to change as good as instantaneously but the EQ seemed to take an age. It was probably less than a quarter of a second but it was really noticeable so I ended up selling it and moving on.

Yeh, I fear as much. I was using my HX Stomp for all my wet fx but wanted to try something else. I dont hear these complaints about strymons, eventides etc. so its poor of source audio to have a glitch like this.

hubobulous · March 2020

I'd send something to SA helpline. Their kit is of such high quality, I'd be surprised if they can't solve it for you

NelsonP · May 2020

@sjo89 ;
Did you manage to find a solution for this? Or did you have to send the collider back?

sjo89 · May 2020

NelsonP said:

@sjo89 ;
Did you manage to find a solution for this? Or did you have to send the collider back?

Source Audio say theres nothing you can do about the lag or clicking noise as the processor needs this time to load in next preset....so the midi is kinda useless

NelsonP · May 2020

Wow. That is pretty crap then. Collider is off my wish list.

TheBigDipper · October 2023

Mild necro bump to say I wish I'd seen this before buying a Collider (on the latest firmware) last week! It's all still as per the OP says. Loading presets takes too long if you're actually playing something. I found you can avoid the relay clicking if you run the pedal in buffered analogue dry bypass mode rather than true bypass.

In an attempt to improve things, I also found it suffers from the same MIDI CC command issue that I found for the Plethora X3 when you use an ES-5 to send the MIDI.

https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/254178/npd-plethora-x3-but-its-going-back#latest

There's something about the Boss ES series and the way it sends multiple MIDI commands that some pedals (Plethora and now the Collider) don't like. They process the first command and ignore the rest. Other MIDI controllers (Hotone, Morningstar, Pirate MIDI) work fine.

The Collider sounds great, so if you don't need to load presets "mid song" it would be fabulous. I do, so I can't keep it.

abw1989 · October 2023

I own a second hand Collider and I have to say that I haven't had any of these midi issues.

There is the relay click for sure, but it's never present in the signal and the patch changes are as instant as I can make out, as is the EQ2 that sits next to it.

They are in a midi chain of MC8 > ML-5 > Collider > EQ2 > Amp.

Two things I'd say two make sure of are; its quite thirsty at 300mA so make sure you are giving it plenty of juice; and secondly check you have your i/o set correctly per patch, that might be why the trails are dying if the Collider is expecting or trying to send a different signal on a different patch.

TheBigDipper · October 2023

abw1989 said:

I own a second hand Collider and I have to say that I haven't had any of these midi issues.

There is the relay click for sure, but it's never present in the signal and the patch changes are as instant as I can make out, as is the EQ2 that sits next to it.

They are in a midi chain of MC8 > ML-5 > Collider > EQ2 > Amp.

Two things I'd say two make sure of are; its quite thirsty at 300mA so make sure you are giving it plenty of juice; and secondly check you have your i/o set correctly per patch, that might be why the trails are dying if the Collider is expecting or trying to send a different signal on a different patch.

I can't speak for the OP, but for myself...

You're right about the relay click not being part of the signal. I just had buffered analogue bypass on because it's the last thing in my signal chain before going back to my amp and having the buffer sounded just the same to me, so why not?

I was feeding it an isolated 660mA supply from a CIOKS DC-7, so I'm sure there was enough power.

I used "Trails Mode", a global setting, not per preset. I was getting trails if I turned an effect off. If I loaded a new preset, though, it was going silent for a short but noticeable period until the new preset was loaded.

Anyway, the gap when changing presets, plus the inability of it to respond correctly to the ES-5 when I'm sending multiple CC messages means it isn't usable in my setup. Which is a shame. Glad you (presumably) like yours, though.

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