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mrkb · December 2018

vasselmeyer said:

I play nearly every week so I don't *need* to play at the jams but I do it because i get to play with people I've never met before and that is brilliant fun. I also get to sing some lead which is never going to happen in a "proper" band.

If I didn't bring a guitar I'd turn up anyway because of the vibe and watching people do stuff they've never done before.

Anyone can have fun at these.

And you get a keen backing band when you ask to if we can cover "While my guitar..." which your band wont play - and I got inspired to learn that song as I liked the version you played, everyone can get something out of it at all levels!

pmbomb · December 2018

Well, that depends on what we're intending to achieve with the session?

the hotel's 300 metres from Magic Rock Brewery. that's all the achieve I need!

Legionreturns · December 2018

pmbomb said:

Well, that depends on what we're intending to achieve with the session?

the hotel's 300 metres from Magic Rock Brewery. that's all the achieve I need!

Want me to see if we can get some MR beers for the gig Matt?

pmbomb · December 2018

I think Tony made a fair point re song sign-up feeding frenzy, there's a chance people could get left behind (@luttis kindly pinged me or I wouldn't have known) or reluctant to step up.

Worth tagging/mailing all attendees?

I signed up for 3 but happy to be bumped if it means everyone gets a shot.

Bridgehouse · December 2018

Cards on the table - I’m finding all of this just too hard.

Organising a Jam session is something that is difficult to describe unless you’ve done it for yourself - and not just on the periphery - I mean carrying the can.

Since starting this I’ve tried to tread a very very thin line - a line that means that in the main, the jams try to make as many people as possible as happy as possible and somehow has the pretty much impossible blend of “what each people wants out of the jam”.

Believe me, it’s pretty much impossible. I receive an awful lot of PMs about the jams. Some good, a lot bad. In the main, everyone has an opinion as to what the jams should be - it’s rare if two opinions are the same.

Too much organising and people say it’s too formal - not relaxed, too highly stressful, too pressured and not comfortable. It can also lead to frayed nerves and a feeling that we are rushing through to an endpoint.

Too little organising and it can be chaos - people trying to play with no prep, not knowing what they are prepping, some not liking the gaps between songs, some wanting to swap out amps and others not wanting them to do the swap outs.

Either scenario can lead to some songs not being done - and inevitably both scenarios lead to some people not being happy.

Add to this the stress of getting the venues done, getting the money sorted, and getting it done on the day.

I will be utterly honest here - I’ve run 5 Jam days and I haven’t enjoyed the actual days themselves at all because of the stress of making sure it went well and hoping everyone who turns up gets something out of it. Not once. I’ve not enjoyed the post Jam PMs from people not happy, or nagging for recordings, or asking if x or y can be done differently next time. I’ve not enjoyed the stress of getting everyone paid and hoping the venue will be okay on the day. I’ve not enjoyed quad going dark on me for nearly a month.

It’s even more difficult when from an admin point of view the Forum wants one balance of things, but yet many of the members who come to the jams want something else. Well, I say that - the truth is that I hear about 50 or 60 different opinions as to how the jams should be run - all valid, and Tony’s is one of them.

But from a forum point of view as a whole, I’m never going to make everyone happy all the time. Actually, I’m not going to make the majority happy - only some, and only occasionally.

And most importantly - I’m never going to make me happy. The jams will always be a bind to me, they will always be highly stressful, will always come with baggage, will always be a plethora of PMs ranging from “I’m bored of you always banging on about the Jams” to “why can’t you do these monthly? Some of us want to play more - you don’t seem to be putting enough effort in”

And so I can only come to an inevitable conclusion - I will never win. I will never create jams that everyone feels is just right. I won’t be able to do what the forum wants because not enough members agree. I won’t ever be able to enjoy them as a punter does - and they will always be a source of great stress - from organising, from the whinging and criticism, and from the fact that they don’t do what the forum really wanted them to do.

So I am going to regretfully withdraw from organising. I’ve been thinking this for a while - this thread certainly hasn’t caused this. The currently organised jams will happen, and I will support them, but if there are to be more in future then someone else will have to do them.

Oh, and to those who PM’d me asking me to stop banging on about the jam sessions as you were bored of hearing about them - here you go, I’m stopping - and fuck you very much for your support.

pmbomb · December 2018

Legionreturns said:

pmbomb said:

Well, that depends on what we're intending to achieve with the session?

the hotel's 300 metres from Magic Rock Brewery. that's all the achieve I need!

Want me to see if we can get some MR beers for the gig Matt?

flippin' ell yes. nice as those casks were would be cool to have something with a bit of zip.

if we order a KeyKeg I can bring my tap, (unless I'm coming on the train) as I doubt the club will be set up to serve it.

we have a lush coconut porter in the fermenter right now, should be about 6%, I could also bring a keg of that if people think it will go and we have some left. info here https://faultlinebrew.co.uk/

Legionreturns · December 2018

If we can't get it into the club, I'm pretty sure Bob won't mind us having a keg on the bench in the chill out room. He might even break his vow of sobriety and join us

pmbomb · December 2018

@Bridgehouse that's a shame, I didn't notice at Huddersfield, seemed to go smoothly and happily to my eyes. thank you vm for what you've done.

Bridgehouse · December 2018

pmbomb said:

@Bridgehouse that's a shame, I didn't notice at Huddersfield, seemed to go smoothly and happily to my eyes. thank you vm for what you've done.

That’s often the case. Very smooth on the surface - utter pain in the arse in the background.

pmbomb · December 2018

Legionreturns said:

If we can't get it into the club, I'm pretty sure Bob won't mind us having a keg on the bench in the chill out room. He might even break his vow of sobriety and join us

cool. all my tap needs is power. no plumbing or anything fancy needed.

darthed1981 · December 2018

pmbomb said:

I think Tony made a fair point re song sign-up feeding frenzy, there's a chance people could get left behind (@luttis kindly pinged me or I wouldn't have known) or reluctant to step up.

Worth tagging/mailing all attendees?

I signed up for 3 but happy to be bumped if it means everyone gets a shot.

We did quite a lot of songs twice at Quad, and that was with five hours, not two days. Just because a name is in a spot, doesn't mean someone else can't play as well, or we do another run through.

Nobody need be put off, there is lots of time to sign up and we can do different versions.

I'll keep an eye on the suggestions as they build up, we will make sure everyone gets to play on what they want on the days.

If you have signed up and are lurking, put your name down for whatever you like, we will make sure you get to play.

richardhomer · December 2018

@Bridgehouse - I think you’ve done a brilliant job - but I can understand dealing with the level of grief you’ve described must be a thankless task. Really sorry that you’re bowing out but fully understand why. Thank you for all you’ve done.

vasselmeyer · December 2018

@Bridgehouse Dude, come along and just play.There are enough if us who organise big events who can help out. Take a break, be a participant and enjoy the music without the hassle.

mrkb · December 2018

Bridgehouse said:

Cards on the table - I’m finding all of this just too hard.

Organising a Jam session is something that is difficult to describe unless you’ve done it for yourself - and not just on the periphery - I mean carrying the can.

Since starting this I’ve tried to tread a very very thin line - a line that means that in the main, the jams try to make as many people as possible as happy as possible and somehow has the pretty much impossible blend of “what each people wants out of the jam”.

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So I am going to regretfully withdraw from organising. I’ve been thinking this for a while - this thread certainly hasn’t caused this. The currently organised jams will happen, and I will support them, but if there are to be more in future then someone else will have to do them.

Oh, and to those who PM’d me asking me to stop banging on about the jam sessions as you were bored of hearing about them - here you go, I’m stopping - and fuck you very much for your support.

Sorry to hear that @bridgehouse - Ive gained a lot of enjoyment and learning from the Jams you've organised.

The first one I turned up to (Quad) I hadn't played live for 25 years (gave up guitar for about 20 of those) and nervously played two songs badly, but met @darthed1981, @legionreturns, @brocco who were in a similar place to me. I was a bit intimidated by the house band, but thought I'd learn a lot from putting myself through that and loved the guts and bottle Ed showed to get through "Plug In Baby" - that showed someone who was willing to put his ego aside and learn by doing it!

Over the next few jam sessions, I added more and more to what I wanted to do - I played drums in public for the first time in Northampton, added basic singing/shouting Pretty Vacant at Hudds, played guitar and sang (slightly better) and danced! at Woking, played a Gig at Hudds Mk2 and felt good doing a few solos at Quad Mk2 - so each time putting more effort in and getting more out. Ive listened back and thought "that sounds a bit ropey" but that was ME sounding a bit LESS ropey than last time! Ive made great friends and been inspired by others (who are way better than me but always friendly and supportive) to put more effort in and try to make better music.

Theres been spin off Jams that people have organised to help others get out an play music - @Brocco and @snags should be given great credit for starting those.

Thankyou for that opportunity, and I hope I can get the chance to play music with you again in future!

Bridgehouse · December 2018

I’ve started a separate thread with my above post in so as not to derail this one - which is primarily for Sasquatch song list choices...!

thomasross20 · December 2018

Paradise city and holiday road - woohoo!!
And if there's an acoustic bit, I will totally be up for that..

Awesome!!

Legionreturns · December 2018

thomasross20 said:

Paradise city and holiday road - woohoo!!
And if there's an acoustic bit, I will totally be up for that..

Awesome!!

I'll start a gig list shortly, but you don't need to put song details up for the acoustic bit. Just let me know you want a slot.

Legionreturns · December 2018

Gig and open mic sign up here:

http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/145152/sasquatch-feb-19-gig-list-and-open-mic-sign-up?new=1

darthed1981 · December 2018

This thread is like that bit in "Threads" where all the on-screen text goes from "there was a slight disagreement in the Middle East" to "everyone started throwing thermonuclear weapons at each other" in about two minutes....

Still, everyone can still sign up for songs for February, we have two days of recordings to fill, so have at slot-grabbing.

If you are a newbie to the jams, or need some support or help choosing a song, PM me, I'll try to help

mrkb · December 2018

Might be worth tagging all the paid up attendees Ed, make sure they know the sign up list is live.

darthed1981 · December 2018

mrkb said:

Might be worth tagging all the paid up attendees Ed, make sure they know the sign up list is live.

Yes fair point calling...

please come and make your slot requests...

LuttiS · December 2018

Also might be worth tagging those who are down but not paid.. so they can also get in gear

darthed1981 · December 2018

LuttiS said:

Also might be worth tagging those who are down but not paid.. so they can also get in gear

Just sorting out some logistics on that now.

RedRabbit · December 2018

I'd like to play lead on lil devil as it was my suggestion.

Happy to provide rhythm or lead duties where needed. As long as I'm not asked to sing or play drums I think I'll be okay to sit in on most things.

RedRabbit · December 2018

Really need to learn to read the OP fully - only just noticed Waiting for an Alibi on there. I'd like to put my name down for the main lead part if someone would be kind enough to do rhythm/harmony duties.

pmbomb · December 2018

anyone travelling from M25 area and want to share transport? I'm between J9/J10.

could pick up virtually anywhere from my place to the destination, eg on the M1 etc.

(if solo might try the train!)

mrkb · December 2018

@darthed1981 Is there a Spotify playlist for these yet? If not I can create one later tonight.

darthed1981 · December 2018

mrkb said:

@darthed1981 Is there a Spotify playlist for these yet? If not I can create one later tonight.

Hi @mrkb by all means I've not had time to put one together yet, thanks.

mrkb · December 2018

darthed1981 said:

mrkb said:

@darthed1981 Is there a Spotify playlist for these yet? If not I can create one later tonight.

Hi @mrkb by all means I've not had time to put one together yet, thanks.

OK - here it is - Are you sure you have the right artist for All Along the Watchtower? Dylan wasn't much of a jammer.

https://open.spotify.com/user/mrkb/playlist/3fRbowbUB8iBGNgHlqADAb?si=Pfe-_jcFQ4q8RLRGaWcoGg

darthed1981 · December 2018

mrkb said:

darthed1981 said:

mrkb said:

@darthed1981 Is there a Spotify playlist for these yet? If not I can create one later tonight.

Hi @mrkb by all means I've not had time to put one together yet, thanks.

OK - here it is - Are you sure you have the right artist for All Along the Watchtower? Dylan wasn't much of a jammer.

https://open.spotify.com/user/mrkb/playlist/3fRbowbUB8iBGNgHlqADAb?si=Pfe-_jcFQ4q8RLRGaWcoGg

Hi mate yes, was so @Bridgehouse can get stuck in with his Harmonica

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