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Alnico · August 2018

LuttiS said:

Do what you gotta do @Alnico - health comes first.

Also remember while you're building your new empire the forum has a massive range of skills to call upon - you need graphics/marketing/finance/webcam trouble shooting advice etc you just gotta say and it will come flooding.

All the best matey

Thanks,

I know this place is a hive of skills and there are great people here who would help.

I'm starting very small, just offering very cheap lessons to people (F.O.C. for Jam session players here) and I've written a few songs which are rough and ready but they exist now and there's a framework there to develop.

I'm a big believer in fate and I know that all I have to do is keep pushing myself along. If anything good is going to happen to me in the music industry, it'll happen and all I can do remain prepared for it.

My little, shoestring studio at home is where that starts and it may never go further than that but trying and failing is better than never trying.

Thanks again man.

Rocker · August 2018

I won't be there but for jam sessions, it is best to include songs that everyone (including the audience) knows. Johnny B Goode, Fortunate Son, Comfortably Numb etc.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, keep some continuity between the various jams.

My cents worth.

darthed1981 · August 2018

Get well soon @Alnico ;

I'll assume your new venture/career is guitar related as it is clearly the route where your passion lies (quite right too

) so you spend a lot of time in the right place here!

Also physically in the right place, some famous musicians from Liverpool I understand (the Beetles? Was that it...?)

Alnico · August 2018

darthed1981 said:

Get well soon @Alnico ;

I'll assume your new venture/career is guitar related as it is clearly the route where your passion lies (quite right too ) so you spend a lot of time in the right place here!

Also physically in the right place, some famous musicians from Liverpool I understand (the Beetles? Was that it...?)

I'll be ok soon.
Thanks man.

Yes I'm looking at working with my guitars and music. There's no point looking at anything else and as people have very kindly realised and pointed out, there's little else I live as much as music and my passion for guitars and creating music knows no bounds now I'm free of the rat race.

I've heard a few people talk about that band but I'm led to believe they were just another boy band (MASSIVE JOKE). Lol.

This city is full of inspiration.

In the last month I've half written two new songs based on experiences here and every day I get more inspiration in fact right now as I type I'm wandering aimlessly through the city centre looking for life and some ideas... also it's like a thousand degrees in our flat and I needed some air.

I'll be fine and soon I'll be back in the house at surrounded by my guitars and hopefully in front of a decent HD Web cam for you lot.

Modellista · August 2018

Alnico said:
every day I get more inspiration in fact right now as I type I'm wandering aimlessly through the city centre looking for life and some ideas...

"Liverpool can be a lonely place on a Saturday night. And this is only Thursday morning."

pmbomb · August 2018

@Alnico GWS and all the best for the new venture.

I don't believe in fate for a single moment, but I do believe in serendipity - sometimes sequences of events can fall into place out of the blue, usually through a set of connections and a little luck - but you have to be in the game to win it.

I see a lot of Youtubers using Patreon as a way to start getting a regular income - might be useful for you.

As for "handouts from the state", that's help, not handouts. They'll only spend it on cruise missiles if we don't use it!

darthed1981 · August 2018

Alnico said:
In the last month I've half written two new songs based on experiences here and every day I get more inspiration in fact right now as I type I'm wandering aimlessly through the city centre looking for life and some ideas...

Just remember there is a song called "Penny Lane" already

LuttiS · August 2018

darthed1981 said:

Alnico said:
In the last month I've half written two new songs based on experiences here and every day I get more inspiration in fact right now as I type I'm wandering aimlessly through the city centre looking for life and some ideas...

Just remember there is a song called "Penny Lane" already

Yeah but i don't think Liverpool ONE has had anything written about it... i smell an opportunity!

Alnico · August 2018

LuttiS said:

darthed1981 said:

Alnico said:
In the last month I've half written two new songs based on experiences here and every day I get more inspiration in fact right now as I type I'm wandering aimlessly through the city centre looking for life and some ideas...

Just remember there is a song called "Penny Lane" already

Yeah but i don't think Liverpool ONE has had anything written about it... i smell an opportunity!

I'll work on that.
I won't write about the shopping centre but the heritage we lost in building that has given me an idea...

Nice one!

darthed1981 · August 2018

LuttiS said:

darthed1981 said:

Alnico said:
In the last month I've half written two new songs based on experiences here and every day I get more inspiration in fact right now as I type I'm wandering aimlessly through the city centre looking for life and some ideas...

Just remember there is a song called "Penny Lane" already

Yeah but i don't think Liverpool ONE has had anything written about it... i smell an opportunity!

"In Liverpool one there is a Costa selling Flat White's,

and lots of hipsters there on laptops in the know,

and though hundreds of people come and go,

no-one says hello..."

Snags · August 2018

GWS @Alnico ;

Not sure what form you've got for self-employment and related stuff, but if you need any pointers on the boring stuff (record keeping, not getting in the poo with the tax man etc.) feel free to drop me a PM as and when things arise. I know I'm not the only one on here that has plowed their own furrow employment-wise, and I'm sure I'm not the best, so if you've got local input on that, no worries. But helping people get started with this stuff used to be what I did, effectively (a long time ago, but the basics never change).

Alnico · August 2018

darthed1981 said:

LuttiS said:

darthed1981 said:

Alnico said:
In the last month I've half written two new songs based on experiences here and every day I get more inspiration in fact right now as I type I'm wandering aimlessly through the city centre looking for life and some ideas...

Just remember there is a song called "Penny Lane" already

Yeah but i don't think Liverpool ONE has had anything written about it... i smell an opportunity!

"In Liverpool one there is a Costa selling Flat White's,
and lots of hipsters there on laptops in the know,
and though hundreds of people come and go,
no-one says hello..."

Nothing makes me feel more proud than to see someone I inspired, flourish.

Ed that's really, REALLY good.

darthed1981 · August 2018

Thanks mate

Alnico · August 2018

Snags said:

GWS @Alnico ;

Not sure what form you've got for self-employment and related stuff, but if you need any pointers on the boring stuff (record keeping, not getting in the poo with the tax man etc.) feel free to drop me a PM as and when things arise. I know I'm not the only one on here that has plowed their own furrow employment-wise, and I'm sure I'm not the best, so if you've got local input on that, no worries. But helping people get started with this stuff used to be what I did, effectively (a long time ago, but the basics never change).

Thanks Pete.

I won't be doing anything officially yet.

Lessons and such will be done on a "Donation" basis at first and I'm quite happy with people "Donating" what they think my time and what I've taught them is worth. I'm NOT a qualified guitar teacher so I'm NOT going to pretend to be one and charge a set rate.

More on that as I work it out but thanks for your kind offer and yes, I WILL be in touch if I need any of that advice.

As for my musical career and what I do with it, I've found some incredible insight from Ola Englund and various other YT guys. Glenn Fricker has a LOT of great advice to offer and I watch his shows every week.

I'm getting in touch with the local music scene here, starting to put roots down and make some contacts and pretty soon I'll be imposing myself on local open mic events too. Me and Audrey are using a local studio once a week to practice at volume and with their PA to play to backing tracks and I'm going to start making contacts through that soon too.

It's a long and slow process but the journey sticks a firm finger up at the 'Rat Race' I used to be part of and I would rather be broke and happy than rich and miserable.

Here's Ola explaining why releasing an album these days isn't the best way forward with your own music....

Snags · August 2018

Cool. I can't offer any advice about "the biz", but I know the basic tedious stuff on making sure you minimise any tax liability without actively upsetting HMRC (because they can upset you a lot more). Loads of people forget to do things like offset the value of kit they're bringing in, and that kind of stuff, so end up handing over more than you need to.

Tax is a necessary evil, and should lead to a social good, but you're under no obligation to pay more than your fair share

Alnico · August 2018

Snags said:

Cool. I can't offer any advice about "the biz", but I know the basic tedious stuff on making sure you minimise any tax liability without actively upsetting HMRC (because they can upset you a lot more). Loads of people forget to do things like offset the value of kit they're bringing in, and that kind of stuff, so end up handing over more than you need to.

Tax is a necessary evil, and should lead to a social good, but you're under no obligation to pay more than your fair share

Thanks,

I know it will kick in at some point and when it does (Basically when things become successful) I'll be looking for the best way forward and your advice too.

I've got another (Mutual) friend who is good with all this too so I know when I wake up that day and say "Ok, this is now officially me", I've got some backup with how to do it.

Thanks man.

I'll cross those bridges as I get to them but I agree about HMRC. As soon as I'm within range of them, I won't take any chances with the 'Death Ray'.

Fuengi · August 2018

I'd quite like to try something like A-Punk by Vampire Weekend or some Arcade Fire but it (Water Rats April) being my first time i have no idea how easy it is for people to learn the same song at distance.

Alnico · August 2018

Fuengi said:

I'd quite like to try something like A-Punk by Vampire Weekend or some Arcade Fire but it (Water Rats April) being my first time i have no idea how easy it is for people to learn the same song at distance.

It's not Ideal but a decent webcam, some TAB and a decent copy of the same song each gets you most of the way there.

The hardest part about learning to play in a band mix is to ONLY play your part.

Sometimes that not so easy as it sounds and when it comes to learning the song, you need to be brutal and economic with what you play so you don't *overplay* your part.

Overplaying is just as bad as not playing enough, it's about striking a balance that fits the song.

THE BEST Advice I ever got was from Guthrie Govan...

"Serve the song, NOT your Ego!"

So when it comes to learning a new song with someone who's physically miles away, it's normally harder to nail down exactly what your part is, than it is to play it.

Does that make sense and hopefully shed some light ?

fandango · August 2018

Modellista said:

Alnico said:
every day I get more inspiration in fact right now as I type I'm wandering aimlessly through the city centre looking for life and some ideas...

"Liverpool can be a lonely place on a Saturday night. And this is only Thursday morning."

... and Sunday nights, too. Especially if you're a West Ham fan.

Vibetronic · August 2018

Alnico said:

Snags said:

GWS @Alnico ;

Not sure what form you've got for self-employment and related stuff, but if you need any pointers on the boring stuff (record keeping, not getting in the poo with the tax man etc.) feel free to drop me a PM as and when things arise. I know I'm not the only one on here that has plowed their own furrow employment-wise, and I'm sure I'm not the best, so if you've got local input on that, no worries. But helping people get started with this stuff used to be what I did, effectively (a long time ago, but the basics never change).

Thanks Pete.

I won't be doing anything officially yet.
Lessons and such will be done on a "Donation" basis at first and I'm quite happy with people "Donating" what they think my time and what I've taught them is worth. I'm NOT a qualified guitar teacher so I'm NOT going to pretend to be one and charge a set rate.
More on that as I work it out but thanks for your kind offer and yes, I WILL be in touch if I need any of that advice.

As for my musical career and what I do with it, I've found some incredible insight from Ola Englund and various other YT guys. Glenn Fricker has a LOT of great advice to offer and I watch his shows every week.

I'm getting in touch with the local music scene here, starting to put roots down and make some contacts and pretty soon I'll be imposing myself on local open mic events too. Me and Audrey are using a local studio once a week to practice at volume and with their PA to play to backing tracks and I'm going to start making contacts through that soon too.
It's a long and slow process but the journey sticks a firm finger up at the 'Rat Race' I used to be part of and I would rather be broke and happy than rich and miserable.

if you ever want any help/advice with doing the teaching thing, feel free to get in touch; not an expert by any means, but I quit my 'career' over 18 months ago to do it full-time and it's going well and I'm very busy. Best thing I ever did - job was probably nudging me towards proper depression, so if I can pass on anything useful, shout

Alnico · August 2018

Vibetronic said:

Alnico said:

Snags said:

GWS @Alnico ;;

Not sure what form you've got for self-employment and related stuff, but if you need any pointers on the boring stuff (record keeping, not getting in the poo with the tax man etc.) feel free to drop me a PM as and when things arise. I know I'm not the only one on here that has plowed their own furrow employment-wise, and I'm sure I'm not the best, so if you've got local input on that, no worries. But helping people get started with this stuff used to be what I did, effectively (a long time ago, but the basics never change).

Thanks Pete.

I won't be doing anything officially yet.
Lessons and such will be done on a "Donation" basis at first and I'm quite happy with people "Donating" what they think my time and what I've taught them is worth. I'm NOT a qualified guitar teacher so I'm NOT going to pretend to be one and charge a set rate.
More on that as I work it out but thanks for your kind offer and yes, I WILL be in touch if I need any of that advice.

As for my musical career and what I do with it, I've found some incredible insight from Ola Englund and various other YT guys. Glenn Fricker has a LOT of great advice to offer and I watch his shows every week.

I'm getting in touch with the local music scene here, starting to put roots down and make some contacts and pretty soon I'll be imposing myself on local open mic events too. Me and Audrey are using a local studio once a week to practice at volume and with their PA to play to backing tracks and I'm going to start making contacts through that soon too.
It's a long and slow process but the journey sticks a firm finger up at the 'Rat Race' I used to be part of and I would rather be broke and happy than rich and miserable.

if you ever want any help/advice with doing the teaching thing, feel free to get in touch; not an expert by any means, but I quit my 'career' over 18 months ago to do it full-time and it's going well and I'm very busy. Best thing I ever did - job was probably nudging me towards proper depression, so if I can pass on anything useful, shout

Hey man,

Yes please that would be great.
I'll PM you once I get this week out of the way.

Thanks that's awesome.

Vibetronic · August 2018

Alnico said:

Vibetronic said:

if you ever want any help/advice with doing the teaching thing, feel free to get in touch; not an expert by any means, but I quit my 'career' over 18 months ago to do it full-time and it's going well and I'm very busy. Best thing I ever did - job was probably nudging me towards proper depression, so if I can pass on anything useful, shout

Hey man,

Yes please that would be great.
I'll PM you once I get this week out of the way.

Thanks that's awesome.

you're welcome, and please do. A lot of it is really simple stuff you may have already thought of, but it all helps.

richardhomer · August 2018

@Alnico - your willingness to help other players is an inspiration mate!

CustomPedalBoards · August 2018

fandango said:

There are a few floyd and floyd-related songs I'd like love to give a go. If not at a tFB jam, then at some point in the near future:

Lucy Leave - one of their very earliest (as The Tea Set) but the solo stumps me?!?!?!?
The Nile Song - the first Floyd song i dreamt of playing all those years ago. Haven't yet tried, but will do soon,
Obscured by Clouds - no idea what this is like to play, but sounds cool in the way only Floyd can manage,
On The Run (Travel Sequence) - the very early live-only pre-version before it became a synth fest,
and
Syd's Gigolo Aunt with his deceptively simple riffs throughout.

I can only imagine the raised eyebrows, tut-tuts and pursed lips amongst tFB cognoscenti at these rather idiosyncratic selections, but you know what, I don't care. I'd love to find someone with the same tastes and be willing to share the same desire to play these live.

yes! some great suggestions there, defo with u on the nile and OBC. used to play on the run / travel back in the early days but we dropped it in favour of doing something less random! hahaa

CustomPedalBoards · August 2018

"In Liverpool one there is a Costa selling Flat White's,
and lots of hipsters there on laptops in the know,
and though hundreds of people come and go,
no-one says hello..."

hahahahahahahaaaaaaa go ed lad!

fandango · August 2018

CustomPedalBoards said:

fandango said:

There are a few floyd and floyd-related songs I'd like love to give a go. If not at a tFB jam, then at some point in the near future:

Lucy Leave - one of their very earliest (as The Tea Set) but the solo stumps me?!?!?!?
The Nile Song - the first Floyd song i dreamt of playing all those years ago. Haven't yet tried, but will do soon,
Obscured by Clouds - no idea what this is like to play, but sounds cool in the way only Floyd can manage,
On The Run (Travel Sequence) - the very early live-only pre-version before it became a synth fest,
and
Syd's Gigolo Aunt with his deceptively simple riffs throughout.

I can only imagine the raised eyebrows, tut-tuts and pursed lips amongst tFB cognoscenti at these rather idiosyncratic selections, but you know what, I don't care. I'd love to find someone with the same tastes and be willing to share the same desire to play these live.

yes! some great suggestions there, defo with u on the nile and OBC. used to play on the run / travel back in the early days but we dropped it in favour of doing something less random! hahaa

@CustomPedalBoards - right, I see you're down for Sasquatch in Feb, so what do you say to giving one or more of these a go? I would be grateful for some pointers on playing On the Run/Travel Sequence.

Alnico · August 2018

richardhomer said:

@Alnico - your willingness to help other players is an inspiration mate!

Thank you Richard, that's very kind of you to say so.

CustomPedalBoards · August 2018

fandango said:

CustomPedalBoards said:

fandango said:

There are a few floyd and floyd-related songs I'd like love to give a go. If not at a tFB jam, then at some point in the near future:

Lucy Leave - one of their very earliest (as The Tea Set) but the solo stumps me?!?!?!?
The Nile Song - the first Floyd song i dreamt of playing all those years ago. Haven't yet tried, but will do soon,
Obscured by Clouds - no idea what this is like to play, but sounds cool in the way only Floyd can manage,
On The Run (Travel Sequence) - the very early live-only pre-version before it became a synth fest,
and
Syd's Gigolo Aunt with his deceptively simple riffs throughout.

I can only imagine the raised eyebrows, tut-tuts and pursed lips amongst tFB cognoscenti at these rather idiosyncratic selections, but you know what, I don't care. I'd love to find someone with the same tastes and be willing to share the same desire to play these live.

yes! some great suggestions there, defo with u on the nile and OBC. used to play on the run / travel back in the early days but we dropped it in favour of doing something less random! hahaa

@CustomPedalBoards - right, I see you're down for Sasquatch in Feb, so what do you say to giving one or more of these a go? I would be grateful for some pointers on playing On the Run/Travel Sequence.

on the run > make some noise in E (hope that helps)

darthed1981 · August 2018

fandango said:

There are a few floyd and floyd-related songs I'd like love to give a go. If not at a tFB jam, then at some point in the near future:

Lucy Leave - one of their very earliest (as The Tea Set) but the solo stumps me?!?!?!?
The Nile Song - the first Floyd song i dreamt of playing all those years ago. Haven't yet tried, but will do soon,
Obscured by Clouds - no idea what this is like to play, but sounds cool in the way only Floyd can manage,
On The Run (Travel Sequence) - the very early live-only pre-version before it became a synth fest,
and
Syd's Gigolo Aunt with his deceptively simple riffs throughout.

I can only imagine the raised eyebrows, tut-tuts and pursed lips amongst tFB cognoscenti at these rather idiosyncratic selections, but you know what, I don't care. I'd love to find someone with the same tastes and be willing to share the same desire to play these live.

To be fair @fandango it is really only the main setlist where there are any firm rules. If you want to set up a jam on any of these you merely need one of the rooms and the rest of the "band", that's how "Rockin in the Free World" got started at Hudds. If you get to a standard you want to record it, it's likely there will be some studio time on Sunday, there was last time?

guitartango · August 2018

Thought I would add to this thread with a couple of songs which could sound good

For the floyd boys.... @fandango

Roger Waters The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range (great guitar riff)

L.A Woman the Doors Two chords (from memory)

Road House Blues Doors/Quo

Break on through: The Doors

Country House: Neil Young

Making plans for Nigel: XTC

alone again or: Love (not sure if we have enough Hippies here?)

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