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12 Fretters

rustneversleepsrustneversleeps Frets: 173
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Having just sold my M36 I’am now Left with 12 fretters.In the past I was always lead to believe that
12’s have less string tension .At the moment I’am finding the opposite.Something I never really noticed 
in past.My fingers seem to be telling me different.?.or is it me.
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  • antifashantifash Frets: 603
    I got my first 12 fretter this year. String tension certainly feels less. 
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps Frets: 173
    antifash said:
    I got my first 12 fretter this year. String tension certainly feels less. 
    I’ve had mine for years.beginning to think this could be a “senior moment “  =)
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  • AliGorieAliGorie Frets: 308
    the 'senior mo' for me is if I've not been playing for a few month and get the urge - my hands get outa shape - not match fit - it can take a couple of weeks of regular playing to get back to an acceptable level.
    The 12 fret / tension thing causes a lot of confusion with some, it's just string gauge (and type = core wire diameter) over a given scale length. The 'fret count' is meaningless.

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  • LewyLewy Frets: 3795
    AliGorie said:

    The 12 fret / tension thing causes a lot of confusion with some, it's just string gauge (and type = core wire diameter) over a given scale length. The 'fret count' is meaningless.

    I was just wondering about that and was thinking the same, tension is just a function of string gauge and composition, scale length and tuning...

    Could it be that 12 fret designs just tend for the most part to be shorter scale and thus lower tension? 

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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps Frets: 173
    For instance I’am using Martin Retros 12 ‘s lights on a Martin 000 15sm .Don’t get me wrong I love my 12 fretters it’s just that’s all I’am playing now.

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  • LewyLewy Frets: 3795
    rustneversleeps said:
    For instance I’am using Martin Retros 12 ‘s lights on a Martin 000 15sm .Don’t get me wrong I love my 12 fretters it’s just that’s all I’am playing now.

    That's got a 25.4" scale so it won't feet particularly low tension. But a lot of the 12 fretters out there are 24.9" or similar so that might be the reason for people saying they have lower tension. 
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  • AliGorieAliGorie Frets: 308
    edited December 2017
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZENnZdtgTvc



    yoo - a maple guitar - sounding like that !.


    the the the 12 fret fingerpickers desiderata is the 000 model = 25.4 scale which would have exactly the same tension as a 14 fret Dread @ 25.4 - both strung with the same set strings.


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  • ClashmanClashman Frets: 175
    No need to fret
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  • AliGorieAliGorie Frets: 308
    Clashman said:
    No need to fret
    U play slide clashie ?.
    Ivor Marantz, he of the London shop had a book published - 'Forty Years of Fretting' or somthin like that.
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps Frets: 173



    That's got a 25.4" scale so it won't feet particularly low tension. But a lot of the 12 fretters out there are 24.9" or similar so that might be the reason for peolower tension. 
    Thks for help guys.So now I know it’s a scale thing.
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