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NFS: '56 Fender Bassman 5E6; Sold: '82 MusicMan RD50: £550 now £475; Sold: WoolyCoats Sparky

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MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
edited September 2023 in Amps £
I've way to many amps so have decided to sell a few.

Collection wise, I live in North London, so can drive up to an hour or so to meet half way, or may post (fully insured) the 1x12 combos. I'd drive further to deliver the Bassman - just ask!  

Prices quoted are ppg and exclude postage. 

First up is a really rare piece. This is a very early (56) Fender Bassman that I have had extensively and lovingly restored by Steve Dove at SA ampworks. He did a resto for a 59 bassman for Mark Knopfler so knows his stuff. This amp is a 5E6, so two not four inputs and a lower power rating than a 59 bassman (which is 40w) so at what I think is actually c 28 watts it breaks up a bit earlier and indeed some prefer them to the holy grail '59 bassman. I've gigged it un mic'd alongside a loud drummer to 200 people and it sounds great. 

Very hard to price this as there are so few around in the UK and I have spent a small fortune restoring it - it owes me quite a bit more than the asking price! I do know that restoration generally reduces the value, but the sound is excellent now and it will last another 50 years. Selling as it is a big beast with the 4 x 10 speakers, but not desperate to sell as it is a fine sounding thing. I will probably regret this. Would expect any interested party to want to examine it / try it out in detail. Also comes with custom cover. I think it has been re-tweeded / re-covered. 

Looking for £6,999 - now £6k, might px for an interesting vintage guitar or smaller amp. Try me. 

Pictures below plus a list of what Steve did. 


Chassis work:

o Stripped out chassis, component board temp treated, in regard noise and output level issues.
o Fitted New Heyboer correct spec UK power transformer, replaced  DC filtering cap bank, and associated resistors, circuit built up using carbon comp vintage type resistors and signal caps with comparable performance to the out of tolerance originals, also the prior replaced, and wrong type were removed, and substituted with authentic.
o Octal valve sockets renewed, and groundings remade from these, the  flashover resistors were upgraded on the output pair.
o Damaged chassis at power transformer side, was improved on, the poor workmanship, that had been result of earlier US transformer fit, visually improved over, and new fitting far more solid!
o Output transformer that had oxidised, cracked, overheated, leads replaced with 95 Schumacher, type used in 50;s Tweed BM.
o Valve heater chain removed (burned) replaced right through with cloth sleeved exact type, but heavier duty, and higher current capability.
o Bias cct upgraded with improved smoothing of output bias supply.
o Rectifier now silicon, a recommended change from the underperformer that was fitted originally.
o The circuit had been subjected, to substandard board solder work throughout, very dried out, and had bled through into the  sandwich section, underneath board and created, basically a nasty untidy mess, boards were removed, totally de-soldered, underside wiring fully redone, refitted. This was obviously before the topside components were renewed Eq controls were reworked/cleaned, wiring here redone where degraded!! and hence renewed, grounding on controls, made good.
o Main groundings redone, was very shabby as was also supply ground/earth taken from here off new 3 conductor power cable.
o DVM meter checked all point-point connections and visual examined new solder work.

Cabinet rework/resto:

Cab had been checked sonically, and the issues to rectify as follows: baffle bowed and flexing, had been subjected to a poor environment, damp in the equation at some stage. Speakers vibrating, due to loose fixings, and compounded by the above. Severe low end instability, more pronounced at vol increase. Baffle material spitting away at bottom edge, having been nailed in place poorly. Hence work carried out as follows:

o Baffle removed! Scrapped. Replacement made from high grade marine ply, using original as ref template, cut out as original, drilled out for replacement speaker stud screw fixing threads. Redid aperture edgings, commercial wood glued and pinned back into place. New (aged) baffle covering applied exactly as factory fit, stapled and adhesive used at edges to add additional strength.
o Visually checked the 4 speakers, cones in good order, 
o New baffle planned to fit correctly! (allow to float) as tweeds should! fitted into cab, replacement fixings (in part) needed and that done, speakers installed.
o Tested cab with fender Super reverb chassis (same) 2 ohm loading, and no vibration present, or increased low end disruption! as with this cab prior, sounded taught and focused!
o Fitted chassis into cab, loaded valves: Mullard rectifier, 2x Philips, Sylvania JAN output 6L6's - mix Vintage USA/England preamps, output checked on scope, bias set measured. All good.
o Tested with Strat/Les Paul/Telecaster. Great results with the speakers coming good too!!

PS, the (redundant in the UK) ground switch now acts as boost / fat switch that is just great. 



  
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    edited August 2023
    Next up is a spare amp just bought a few months ago here from Reflex, but no need for a spare amp now! Original 1982 Music Man (Leo Fender) RD50 1x12 combo.  Looking to get back roughly what it cost me, ie c £599 - edit, now looking for £500.

    Music Man RD50 (reverb, distortion) combo - original classic 1982 guitar combo, not the recent reissue. Enormous sound for its size at 50 watts. Really deep bass, sort of Blackface with a bit more mid bite - Vintage guitar calls this amp a hybrid boogie. Seemingly very collectible these days and highly sought after. 

    Built in 1982, it’s a 1x12 currently fitted with an Eminence Cannabis Rex hemp cone speaker which warms up what is a normally bright amp - a much better speaker than the stock one. Very good condition for its age, the tolex is pretty good aside from at the top per photos, the grill cloth has opened in a few places but not badly.

    2 x channels (rhythm / clean and overdrive) each with their own bass / treble / volume. The reverb works across both channels. Rhythm channel has a bright/normal switch. Runs off 2 x 6L6 and 1 x 12ax7 (overdrive pre-amp), clean channel has a solid state pre-amp. The rear has two speaker outputs and a line out. Comes with a non original 2 button Fender pedal - channel select and reverb. Also has a fender branded soft cover. Weighs around 16 kg.

    As vintage guitar magazine notes: Do these amps deserve a “collectable” status? YES, they are a part of the Leo Fender heritage, sound great, are built to last, and Chet Atkins uses one — who’s going to argue with Chet? I did a Music Man amp article almost two years ago and I’m still getting responses to it. As I said in my first article, the pre-1979 tube inverter models (65 and 130) are great amps and the RD-50 just goes a few steps farther. The RD-50 reacts with a dramatic difference in sound according to what type of 6L6 tubes you use. If the amp is biased with “old style” 6L6s, it yields a warm vintage tone, but if you set this bad boy up with a pair of “hot” 6L6s like a Mesa-Boogie uses, it will scream and get mean. This amp can also be easily fitted with EL-34s by a qualified amp tech.


    Lastly, NOW SOLD is am amp scored in this forum that is a high end combo based on a vintage princeton.  Bought from Treewig1 almost 3 years ago who bought it from Wazmeister here in September 2020. His write up is below...

    Looking for £1400 ppg which I think is a bargain for this.  Too good an amp to be sitting around for a while. 

    Anyway, the best Princetons ever and then some. There doesn't appear to be any of these in Europe right now. Like GOLD DUST, I tell thee..Full UK Spec, 12" speaker, hybrid master


    I've waxed lyrically about this amp for so long now. But something has to give, as Ive just splurged on the Broadcaster I really don't know what more it can say; its brilliant at everything. Comes with a fitted cover. No issues and is superb in every way. Takes pedals superbly, and the reverb is divine. Changed the knobs to vintage white rather than the bright white shown below, and now the reverb knob is blue to match the jewel light.

    Features:

    • USA hand-built, PTP (turret board) construction 
    • Premium American-made Heyboer Transformers throughout
    • Premium American-made 12′′ Eminence George Alessandro Speaker
    • Patented HybridMASTER volume management technology
    • Pure tube spring reverb with a refined Ambient voicing based on the Dual Citizen
    • Volume, Treble, Middle and Bass controls
    • Expanded mid-range frequency control for Blackface to Tweed styled tones
    • Unique Treble Damping circuit for post tone-stack high-frequency EQ
    • 8 ohm and 4 ohm speaker jacks
    • 1W carbon film resistors for low noise, 1/2W carbon composition resistors for tone
    • Long-tailed-pair phase inverter for greater headroom
    • Power and Standby switches on the front panel
    • Mallory and Orange Drop coupling capacitors
    • F&T power supply filter caps
    • Choke filtered power supply
    • Available as a head or 112 combo
    • Dual 6V6 output tubes
    • 5AR4 rectifier tube


      
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    edited July 2023
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    Gentle bump, some good interest for the Wooly coats. 
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    Wooly Coats on hold. 
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    Wooly coats sold to Kisfret.
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    £550 for the musicman 
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    Bump for the amazing and rare 56 Bassman
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    edited August 2023
    Would accept £6k for the bassman. Might be interested in px for a boutique amp or vintage guitar. Or even a Huber Krauster ii.  
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    £525 for the musicman 
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    Musicman still here. Plus a really rare and amazing fender bassman 
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    £500 for the musicman plus postage. 
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  • Speculatively PM’d
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    Thanks, and replied….
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    edited August 2023
    Bassman £6k, musicman £475. 
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    Open to sensible offers (or even an amp swap) on the musicman, or a vintage guitar swap on the bassman (wide necked 330 or epi crestwood custom).  
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    Gentle bump…
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    edited August 2023
    Bassman now off sale. Going to talk to a few experts and get advice as to how to value it as a restored piece. Might then sell on commission (at a reduced price I expect) or back on here as it is quite a specialist world and I really don’t know how to price it. 

    Anyone know any amp valuation specialists? 

    Musicman is really a bargain price! 
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  • MikeCMikeC Frets: 389
    Musicman sold on fleabay
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