SORTED Gibson 57 classic, Seymour Duncan antiquity humbuckers

RickLucas · July 2021

Evening all.
Looking for one or two of the above to replace my OX4 low wind PAFs. Or any other suggestions? Thank you.

Dodge · July 2021

What are you looking for that the OX4s aren't giving you?

RickLucas · July 2021

Dodge said:

What are you looking for that the OX4s aren't giving you?

Sweeter mids and more compression. The bridge in particular sounds thin in my SG. It measures 7.6 or so DC resistance and I have also tried an alnico 2 bar instead of the 5. It had 57 classics in it in the first place, which were, I think, a little hotter, maybe 8, 8.5 k. I have since used them in another project. I could swap them back I guess but am looking for another set in the same vein.

Dodge · July 2021

RickLucas said:

Dodge said:

What are you looking for that the OX4s aren't giving you?

Sweeter mids and more compression. The bridge in particular sounds thin in my SG. It measures 7.6 or so DC resistance and I have also tried an alnico 2 bar instead of the 5. It had 57 classics in it in the first place, which were, I think, a little hotter, maybe 8, 8.5 k. I have since used them in another project. I could swap them back I guess but am looking for another set in the same vein.

Fair enough. It'll probably help with recommendations. I happen to love OX4 low winds (albeit with A4 magnets) so I'll leave it for someone else to chime in. ;-)

RickLucas · July 2021

They may have been 4s, even. I don't know.

jaymenon · July 2021

PMd

Ossyrocks · July 2021

RickLucas said:

They may have been 4s, even. I don't know.

I have some Alnico 4 magnets Rick. I stuck a pair in some Antiquities once and they really sweetened up in the mids and had slightly more output. I'll give you a pair next time I see you if you want, and we need to meet up anyway so I can buy that speaker off you.

RickLucas · July 2021

I have just measured the DC resistance of the OX4 and the 57 bridge again: 7.7 and 7.6 K respectively, so it can't be that.

timmypix · July 2021

RickLucas said:

I have just measured the DC resistance of the OX4 and the 57 bridge again: 7.7 and 7.6 K respectively, so it can't be that.

I think the resistance on the '57s is misleading, as they are higher output than you'd think. Bear in mind comparing resistance doesn't mean a thing if you don't know the magnets and wire used. The 57s are a very symmetrical wind with a lot of midrange focus, whereas I suspect the OX4s are less symmetrical by design and scatterwound, which does make a difference.

I had a 57/57+ set in one of my LPs and it was noticeably louder than my PRS with BK Mules and my other LP with BK Emeralds, which at first glance (on paper) would appear to be hotter.

RickLucas · July 2021

timmypix said:

RickLucas said:

I have just measured the DC resistance of the OX4 and the 57 bridge again: 7.7 and 7.6 K respectively, so it can't be that.

I think the resistance on the '57s is misleading, as they are higher output than you'd think. Bear in mind comparing resistance doesn't mean a thing if you don't know the magnets and wire used. The 57s are a very symmetrical wind with a lot of midrange focus, whereas I suspect the OX4s are less symmetrical by design and scatterwound, which does make a difference.

I had a 57/57+ set in one of my LPs and it was noticeably louder than my PRS with BK Mules and my other LP with BK Emeralds, which at first glance (on paper) would appear to be hotter.

Thanks for that.

NCo · July 2021

I might be selling my 57/57+ set, 4 braided wire, in chrome.

Love the pickups but can't stand chrome, and taking the covers off potted humbuckers is too much work.

RickLucas · July 2021

NCo said:

I might be selling my 57/57+ set, 4 braided wire, in chrome.

Love the pickups but can't stand chrome, and taking the covers off potted humbuckers is too much work.

I'd be wanting nickel and I agree with you as regards taking covers off.

RickLucas · July 2021

I'm taking a punt on an Alegree Old Timer, 8K alnico 2 for the bridge. The OX4 can stay where it is for the moment.

StuC · July 2021

I haven't tried the low winds, but I have had standard OX4s as well as Classic '57s and Antiquities. I have two guitars with OX4s now. I found the '57 Classics harsh and two dimensional.

I didn't like Antiquities either - low output and dull tone. They were improved by swapping in the magnets from the '57 Classics, but still nothing special. Maybe it's just me. I have Antiquity P-90s and Tele pickups that I really like, but I've never found an SD humbucker that I wanted to keep.

RickLucas · July 2021

StuC said:

I haven't tried the low winds, but I have had standard OX4s as well as Classic '57s and Antiquities. I have two guitars with OX4s now. I found the '57 Classics harsh and two dimensional.

I didn't like Antiquities either - low output and dull tone. They were improved by swapping in the magnets from the '57 Classics, but still nothing special. Maybe it's just me. I have Antiquity P-90s and Tele pickups that I really like, but I've never found an SD humbucker that I wanted to keep.

I wasn't unhappy with like the 57s and only changed them to try the OX4s that came my way. We'll see how the Old Timer performs. The 57s can always go back into the SG.

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